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Re: Ben White

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:25 pm

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swipe right wrote:You have to build out from the back. That’s not even a question of doubt. I suspect the way Arteta will use him is he drops into a back three out of possession and into midfield when in possession. The way he used Xhaka from time to time. This allows the full back to get up the pitch and overload the opposition defender. It’s not a bad idea if you do it well.


It's basic and not new. Back in the day it was Vieira that would take the ball off the CB's advance the ball then it was Cesc. We sW Rosicky play the role later in his career and then Cazorla. You buy a special talent CM and he'll conduct the play from deep and make life easier for the CB's. We just signed Partey and Lokonga and it seems a waste if we're going to depend on the CB's passing skills instead of a CM that can also dribble and pass.

I think you missed my point. This is nothing like Cesc and Vieira. This is about keeping one of the full back very high up the pitch to create an overload on one side of the pitch. To do that you need a third CB. But when in possession having a flat back three is pointless and the CB joins up with the midfield. Pep also tries this. It looks good when it’s pulled off.


It's too much emphasis on shape and phases instead of what players are required for that to work on the pitch. What you're describing sounds like when we're playing in the opponents half and have them penned into their box. Similar to our early games in the Europa league. It's good in theory but we don't have the same sort of talent as City in attack and just seems nuts building that way.

Under Wenger we had no problem playing high in our opponents half, pinning them in and creating overlaps. We would just get sucker punched on the counter a lot because of poor defending. I'd understand this sort of purchase if we were playing Wengerball not this sort of football under Arteta where attacks seem lifeless.
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Re: Ben White

Postby Goonerfromafrica » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:29 am

Hope I am wrong, but the expectations and build-up involved in this transfer are enough to ruin this boy's career. Smells like money laundering to me even. Also thought it was through, why the delayed announcement? Waiting for Xhaka?
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Re: Ben White

Postby Zenith » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:17 am

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Re: Ben White

Postby swipe right » Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:36 pm

Here’s an example of how screwed up our transfer business is.
Van Dyk and Laporte cost a combined 132 mil.
Sokratis + Saliba + Mari + Gabriel + White will cost us 135 mil.
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Re: Ben White

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:10 pm

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Did you say he was flying back early?
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Re: Ben White

Postby Phil71 » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:11 pm

Was impressed with him last season.

Good young player. Just broken into the England squad.
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Re: Ben White

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:32 pm

Phil71 wrote:Was impressed with him last season.

Good young player. Just broken into the England squad.


At the very least he's proven PL quality
Exactly the type of player we need to replace Luiz who was on a downward slide and unreliable.
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Re: Ben White

Postby Santi » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:43 pm

Phil71 wrote:Was impressed with him last season.

Good young player. Just broken into the England squad.


Exactly this for me, just hope we still get a starting CM on top.
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Re: Ben White

Postby Zenith » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:28 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
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Did you say he was flying back early?
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Apparently he flew from Rome to Ibiza instead.

Looks like he'll be back on the 26th, as initially mentioned.
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Re: Ben White

Postby swipe right » Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:39 pm

Varane heading to United for 38.5 mil.
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Re: Ben White

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:46 pm

swipe right wrote:Varane heading to United for 38.5 mil.


Did you see him in the euros?
He was awful.
He's older now and not the player he was. He's cheaper because there will be little to no sell on value once his contract finishes... when he will be well into his 30s
We need to avoid those kind of signings... Let United make those mistakes... Had enough with players like Willian looking for their last big contact.
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Re: Ben White

Postby swipe right » Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:56 pm

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swipe right wrote:Varane heading to United for 38.5 mil.


Did you see him in the euros?
He was awful.
He's older now and not the player he was. He's cheaper because there will be little to no sell on value once his contract finishes... when he will be well into his 30s
We need to avoid those kind of signings... Let United make those mistakes... Had enough with players like Willian looking for their last big contact.

Didn’t see him in the euros. But did see him winning a World Cup, four champions leagues and three la ligas. The kind of guy who seems to win things. And by the way he’s 28. He’s commanding 38.5 mil in the final year of his contract. You act like he’s some washed up has been. Laughable.
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Re: Ben White

Postby Salibatelli » Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:02 pm

Varane is leagues ahead of White, just shows how overpriced White is.

No one in their right minds would pay more for him than Varane, he’s totally unproven at the top level.
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Re: Ben White

Postby Ach » Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:29 pm

Man Utd arguably getting one of the best CBs in the world for nothing

We're getting White for more money

Who the hell is negotiating for us?
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Re: Ben White

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:35 pm

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:Varane heading to United for 38.5 mil.


Did you see him in the euros?
He was awful.
He's older now and not the player he was. He's cheaper because there will be little to no sell on value once his contract finishes... when he will be well into his 30s
We need to avoid those kind of signings... Let United make those mistakes... Had enough with players like Willian looking for their last big contact.

Didn’t see him in the euros. But did see him winning a World Cup, four champions leagues and three la ligas. The kind of guy who seems to win things. And by the way he’s 28. He’s commanding 38.5 mil in the final year of his contract. You act like he’s some washed up has been. Laughable.


Yes, he'll hit 30 in less than 2 years.
Don't want players on the slide coming to us for big money.
No thanks.
White would be a better investment and exactly the strategy we need - top players and young.

As for his history of winning things - it's history.
He really did look dreadful at the Euro's.
If it's based on history maybe we should sign Beckenbauer as a sweeper or bring Tony back.
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