Dušan Vlahović

[DiamondGooner]

He's not done much at Juve to warrant such praise.

[thebigbangtheo]

He's not done much at Juve to warrant such praise.

Fair comment, but then again neither did Henry and before him, Bergkamp's stint at Inter saw him labelled as a flop not fit to clean Van Basten's boots.

[Nuggets]

He's not done much at Juve to warrant such praise.

Fair comment, but then again neither did Henry and before him, Bergkamp's stint at Inter saw him labelled as a flop not fit to clean Van Basten's boots.

Let's give him a chance, who knows he just might turn out good.

[TedLasso]

He's not done much at Juve to warrant such praise.

Fair comment, but then again neither did Henry and before him, Bergkamp's stint at Inter saw him labelled as a flop not fit to clean Van Basten's boots.

Some people need to hear this in the Havertz threads.

[Salibatelli]

He's not done much at Juve to warrant such praise.

Fair comment, but then again neither did Henry and before him, Bergkamp's stint at Inter saw him labelled as a flop not fit to clean Van Basten's boots.

Some people need to hear this in the Havertz threads.

Lol can we please not even mention Havertz in the same breath as Henry and Bergkamp.

For a start they came from a different league.

A better comparison is how other Chelsea players have done at Arsenal or how players that have flopped have done when they’ve moved to another big PL club, for example Mhkitaryan.

Also no one wanted Havertz here whereas Bergkamp (in particular) and Henry were both very well received.

You’ve basically got to hope Havertz does something next to noone has done.

[thebigbangtheo]

He's not done much at Juve to warrant such praise.

Fair comment, but then again neither did Henry and before him, Bergkamp's stint at Inter saw him labelled as a flop not fit to clean Van Basten's boots.

Some people need to hear this in the Havertz threads.

Lol can we please not even mention Havertz in the same breath as Henry and Bergkamp.

For a start they came from a different league.

A better comparison is how other Chelsea players have done at Arsenal or how players that have flopped have done when they’ve moved to another big PL club, for example Mhkitaryan.

Also no one wanted Havertz here whereas Bergkamp (in particular) and Henry were both very well received.

You’ve basically got to hope Havertz does something next to none has done.

I understand and appreciate the sentiment Ted, but the evidence is clear that those blessed with the ability to utilise three (3) dimensional thinking will more often than not simply fail to effectively communicate with those limited to two (2) dimensional thinking, the same as people readily using nouns like context and perspective without any real understanding of their definitions.

[TedLasso]

He's not done much at Juve to warrant such praise.

Fair comment, but then again neither did Henry and before him, Bergkamp's stint at Inter saw him labelled as a flop not fit to clean Van Basten's boots.

Some people need to hear this in the Havertz threads.

Lol can we please not even mention Havertz in the same breath as Henry and Bergkamp.

For a start they came from a different league.

A better comparison is how other Chelsea players have done at Arsenal or how players that have flopped have done when they’ve moved to another big PL club, for example Mhkitaryan.

Also no one wanted Havertz here whereas Bergkamp (in particular) and Henry were both very well received.

You’ve basically got to hope Havertz does something next to none has done.

I understand and appreciate the sentiment Ted, but the evidence is clear that those blessed with the ability to utilise three (3) dimensional thinking will more often than not simply fail to properly communicate with those limited to two (2) dimensional thinking, the same as people readily using nouns like context and perspective without any real understanding of their definitions.

Too right you are.

[Salibatelli]

2 dimensional thinking indeed.

[alexafc12]

Juve want to swap him for Lusaka apparently.

I remember when they used to be good at transfers lol

Honestly if Juve value him at 35m (which is what Chelsea want for Lusaka) we should bring him home.

[Ach]

Who the hell is Lusaka?

[jayramfootball]

2 dimensional thinking indeed.

I think the point being made is that a comparison of players who did poorly at one stage of their careers after looking very good is not a comparison of the players per se. No one compared Bergkamp to Havertz directly. Its a nuance you miss when you are blinded by hatred of a player and rush in without thinking because you want to quash any positivity about the player you hate.
Personally I think they were being kind to you by assuming your thinking reached even 2 dimensions.

[Roycck]

Who the hell is Lusaka?

[Salibatelli]

2 dimensional thinking indeed.

I think the point being made is that a comparison of players who did poorly at one stage of their careers after looking very good is not a comparison of the players per se. No one compared Bergkamp to Havertz directly. Its a nuance you miss when you are blinded by hatred of a player and rush in without thinking because you want to quash any positivity about the player you hate.
Personally I think they were being kind to you by assuming your thinking reached even 2 dimensions.

So two players did badly in one stage of their career, so what? That’s where the similarities end.

Bergkamp didn’t even do that badly to be honest.

Different players, different time, one player came from a different league with different type of play.

These example are pointless and are useless.

Havertz has been hopeless in the same league for 3 years that’s all we need to know, that and the fan would have chosen him as a signing.

He’s got a lot to prove and no settling in period having played in the same league really.

What’s ironic is that what you’re describing to a tee is yourself, you do just that with players. I don’t pretend to rate a player just because he’s come to Arsenal. I don’t hate the guy just don’t think he’s a good player and recent history supports my point.

You and some others always try to spin it so that anyone that plays for us or signs for us is good, that’s unless management don’t want to play them and then it’s the player or their attitude, pure bias really.

[jayramfootball]

2 dimensional thinking indeed.

I think the point being made is that a comparison of players who did poorly at one stage of their careers after looking very good is not a comparison of the players per se. No one compared Bergkamp to Havertz directly. Its a nuance you miss when you are blinded by hatred of a player and rush in without thinking because you want to quash any positivity about the player you hate.
Personally I think they were being kind to you by assuming your thinking reached even 2 dimensions.

So two players did badly in one stage of their career, so what? That’s where the similarities end.

Bergkamp didn’t even do that badly to be honest.

Different players, different time, one player came from a different league with different type of play.

These example are pointless and are useless.

Havertz has been hopeless in the same league for 3 years that’s all we need to know, that and the fan would have chosen him as a signing.

He’s got a lot to prove and no settling in period having played in the same league really.

What’s ironic is that what you’re describing to a tee is yourself, you do just that with players. I don’t pretend to rate a player just because he’s come to Arsenal. I don’t hate the guy just don’t think he’s a good player and recent history supports my point.

You and some others always try to spin it so that anyone that plays for us or signs for us is good, that’s unless management don’t want to play them and then it’s the player or their attitude, pure bias really.

Nah, the point was that players can have bad periods in their careers, join another club and really kick on again...just like Bergkamp did. Great at Ajax, way off his level at Inter, superb at Arsenal.
Happens.
You also make out that Havertz was far worse than he actually was at Chelsea.
Not that it matters, he's having a good pre season for us. 2 goals in 4 halves of football.
Get in.

[Salibatelli]

Nah, the point was that players can have bad periods in their careers, join another club and really kick on again...just like Bergkamp did. Great at Ajax, way off his level at Inter, superb at Arsenal.
Happens.
You also make out that Havertz was far worse than he actually was at Chelsea.
Not that it matters, he's having a good pre season for us. 2 goals in 4 halves of football.
Get in.

Bergkamp wasn’t that bad at all and had done so much more than Havertz, plus like I said he was in Serie A and moved to a new league, he didn’t remain in Serie A, plus he was a generational talent way way above anything Havertz has ever been, he was already a star before moving to Inter, this is in the days when Ajax were a top side.

For every example of a player turning it around there are multiple examples of players not doing so.

On top of that what are we doing paying 65 million for a player who is essentially a flop?

Great he scored a couple goals in a couple friendlies aimed at improving fitness and trying out tactics, amazing that’ll show everyone