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Re: Odsonne Edouard

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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Angelito » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:02 pm

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Angelito wrote:Is he good on the ball like Lacazette is?

That's a big factor for us. Laca almost plays like a false 9. With Auba out wide, Laca is the perfect foil.

Yes, he's great on the ball. Uses his strength well and is intelligent with his distribution.


Ah. Makes sense.

But I'd say it would be too hasty right now.

We need to address our midfield needs this summer.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Callum » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:27 pm

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Angelito wrote:Is he good on the ball like Lacazette is?

That's a big factor for us. Laca almost plays like a false 9. With Auba out wide, Laca is the perfect foil.

Yes, he's great on the ball. Uses his strength well and is intelligent with his distribution.


Ah. Makes sense.

But I'd say it would be too hasty right now.

We need to address our midfield needs this summer.

Yeah that's certainly the priority, but if we sell Lacazette he will need to be replaced. So bringing in Eduoard would almost be independent of what we do in midfield.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Santi » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:19 pm

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Santi wrote:Liverpool weren't smart with coutinho though, it was a ridiculous offer that no club would turn down. People need to stop using it as an example of squad building tbh, they did well with the money but it rarely happens.


you just contradicted yourself.


How? It's rare that a club is so desperate and overpays so much for a player. The only smart thing Liverpool did was buying him for 8m in the first place, the rest was pure stupidity from Barcelona.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Marsbar100 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:22 pm

Coutinho was on fire before his move tbf
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Power n Glory » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:02 pm

Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:Liverpool weren't smart with coutinho though, it was a ridiculous offer that no club would turn down. People need to stop using it as an example of squad building tbh, they did well with the money but it rarely happens.


you just contradicted yourself.


How? It's rare that a club is so desperate and overpays so much for a player. The only smart thing Liverpool did was buying him for 8m in the first place, the rest was pure stupidity from Barcelona.


i said liverpool done smart business. you said it wasn't smart then you said it rarely happens.

so it was smart then.


I agree. It was smart and it wasn't rare for Liverpool. The fee for Coutinho was massive and probably the peak of their transfer strategy but that Klopp team was years in the making. They sold well and reinvested in some good players that played a key role in getting them to where they are. It started before Klopp arrived.

2014. They sold Suarez for big money one season and that was probably the start of the rebuild.

2015. They did the same the following season when selling Sterling and bought Firmino and Joe Gomez.

2016. They wasted no timing getting rid of Benteke and a few other dead weight players. That paid for Mane and Wijnaldum.

2017. Then the sold Coutinho for that massive fee.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Angelito » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:23 pm

Suarez was the best striker in the game at the time. He was every bit worth the £75m Barca paid for him.

That can't be said about Coutinho. The incompetent Barca board decided to drop £150m on a player who'd never been world class. It was a combination of Liverpool's resolve and Barca's stupidity.

Sterling wanted to leave following 13/14. City lacked homegrown players at the time. When someone of his caliber was available, it made sense for City to pursue him.

Liverpool's current success is a result of their owner's ambition, their heritage, and luck.

We're not in the same situation.

Liverpool absolutely got lucky with Coutinho. Had Neymar stayed, Coutinho would have moved to PSG for £50m. Neymar left and Barca's board were desperate.

The stars aligned for Liverpool.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby indy23 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:33 pm

This is obviously not the priority for the last 3 weeks of the window. That being said come January or next year we should be looking for laca replacement before his final year. If midfield isn't sorted tho this doesn't matter.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Power n Glory » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:49 pm

Angelito wrote:Suarez was the best striker in the game at the time. He was every bit worth the £75m Barca paid for him.

That can't be said about Coutinho. The incompetent Barca board decided to drop £150m on a player who'd never been world class. It was a combination of Liverpool's resolve and Barca's stupidity.

Sterling wanted to leave following 13/14. City lacked homegrown players at the time. When someone of his caliber was available, it made sense for City to pursue him.

Liverpool's current success is a result of their owner's ambition, their heritage, and luck.

We're not in the same situation.

Liverpool absolutely got lucky with Coutinho. Had Neymar stayed, Coutinho would have moved to PSG for £50m. Neymar left and Barca's board were desperate.

The stars aligned for Liverpool.


We're not in the same position the argument is that we need to sell our assets and reinvest wisely.

It's not just a case of luck either. We've gone through the restructure because we now realise that we've made a host of bad decisions and it's not down to bad luck. Just bad management.

Liverpool made sure there best assets were tied down to long contracts and were stubborn about the fees they wanted. You're also missing the part about reinvestment. They could have been lucky with the fees but blown the lot on duds.

We've been doing something seriously wrong if our best sale belongs to Ox for £35m.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Ach » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:04 pm

Why do we have to sell to buy players?

We have the highest ticket prices in the country in the second biggest stadium in the country. We were in the CL 20+ years in a row. We're a massive club.

Where's all the money gone?

Ineptness is in this club from top to bottom
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:09 pm

This signing is not needed. Laca is happy and wants to stay. Martinelli is back in January. Eddie is not going on loan.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Power n Glory » Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:00 pm

Ach wrote:Why do we have to sell to buy players?

We have the highest ticket prices in the country in the second biggest stadium in the country. We were in the CL 20+ years in a row. We're a massive club.

Where's all the money gone?

Ineptness is in this club from top to bottom


Yep. That last sentence sums it up. We've been poorly run. Even if we had or have the money, when you look at our transfers over the last 5 years, we've just done a poor job on transfers overall. Heck, the players we just bought after Wenger in 2018 are all on there way out with the exception of Leno. Too much waste.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby yadunoe » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:21 am

Power n Glory wrote:
Ach wrote:Why do we have to sell to buy players?

We have the highest ticket prices in the country in the second biggest stadium in the country. We were in the CL 20+ years in a row. We're a massive club.

Where's all the money gone?

Ineptness is in this club from top to bottom


Yep. That last sentence sums it up. We've been poorly run. Even if we had or have the money, when you look at our transfers over the last 5 years, we've just done a poor job on transfers overall. Heck, the players we just bought after Wenger in 2018 are all on there way out with the exception of Leno. Too much waste.

We are poorly run and have an owner that doesn't care
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:31 am

Ach wrote:Why do we have to sell to buy players?

We have the highest ticket prices in the country in the second biggest stadium in the country. We were in the CL 20+ years in a row. We're a massive club.

Where's all the money gone?

Ineptness is in this club from top to bottom


Ticket sales are not our primary source of income.
As it stands in 2019 we only made a 50m operating profit excluding player trading and ended up with a loss of 20m overall when player trading is taken into account.
We have a wage bill - the biggest cost drain - of 235m a year.

2020 accounts are likely to be a lot worse.

There is no money available unless we deplete cash reserves, which is not an option given the need for cash flow through the season, or sell players.
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Re: Odsonne Edouard

Postby Santi » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:18 am

Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:
Rayyo wrote:
Santi wrote:Liverpool weren't smart with coutinho though, it was a ridiculous offer that no club would turn down. People need to stop using it as an example of squad building tbh, they did well with the money but it rarely happens.


you just contradicted yourself.


How? It's rare that a club is so desperate and overpays so much for a player. The only smart thing Liverpool did was buying him for 8m in the first place, the rest was pure stupidity from Barcelona.


i said liverpool done smart business. you said it wasn't smart then you said it rarely happens.

so it was smart then.


The overpaying part from Barca rarely happens. It was dumb from them, nothing to do with Liverpool. You'd be stupid to turn down 120m for a player who was really worth 60m max. If not being stupid = being smart for you then sure.
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