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Re: Available Managers

Postby KG3 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:18 am



Tuchel is no longer an option which is good, Unai Emery level manager at best.
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Re: Available Managers

Postby Ach » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:15 am

Frank Lampard.
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Re: Available Managers

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:01 pm

KG3 wrote:

Tuchel is no longer an option which is good, Unai Emery level manager at best.


Tuchel's developed young talent like Dembele and Pulisic. Arteta on the other hand kicks them out so Willian, Luiz and Xhaka can remain gainfully employed.
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Re: Available Managers

Postby KG3 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:03 pm

aniym wrote:
KG3 wrote:

Tuchel is no longer an option which is good, Unai Emery level manager at best.


Tuchel's developed young talent like Dembele and Pulisic. Arteta on the other hand kicks them out so Willian, Luiz and Xhaka can remain gainfully employed.


And what exactly have Dembele and Pulisic done since leaving Tuchels Dortmund?

He’s better than Arteta so what? Doesn’t mean he’s good enough long term
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Re: Available Managers

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:32 pm

KG3 wrote:
aniym wrote:
KG3 wrote:

Tuchel is no longer an option which is good, Unai Emery level manager at best.


Tuchel's developed young talent like Dembele and Pulisic. Arteta on the other hand kicks them out so Willian, Luiz and Xhaka can remain gainfully employed.


And what exactly have Dembele and Pulisic done since leaving Tuchels Dortmund?

He’s better than Arteta so what? Doesn’t mean he’s good enough long term


They've cashed out a handsome profit for their clubs. Meanwhile, our team is half-full of retired seniors, while the other half are all running their contracts down to leave on a free.

What exactly is long-term to you? Chelsea have won 5 titles since we last won ours. They have an excellent recruiting division, top training infrastructure, and a culture of getting results above all else. That is what matters long-term, not the person pacing around the dugout.

When Conte was hired, he wasn't asked to rebuild the club. He was told to win. Same with Mourinho before him, or Sarri after him. All three left with silverware. Lampard and AVB are the only 2 managers in the past decade that didn't win anything.
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Re: Available Managers

Postby Losmeister » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:56 pm

aniym wrote:They have an excellent recruiting division, top training infrastructure, and a culture of getting results above all else. That is what matters long-term, not the person pacing around the dugout.


mic drop!

this is precious b/c it removes the moronic romantic notions and gets to the meat and bones.

gotta know how to SEE talent. how to train proper and to get the damned POINTS!!!
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Re: Available Managers

Postby KG3 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:36 pm

aniym wrote:
KG3 wrote:
aniym wrote:
KG3 wrote:

Tuchel is no longer an option which is good, Unai Emery level manager at best.


Tuchel's developed young talent like Dembele and Pulisic. Arteta on the other hand kicks them out so Willian, Luiz and Xhaka can remain gainfully employed.


And what exactly have Dembele and Pulisic done since leaving Tuchels Dortmund?

He’s better than Arteta so what? Doesn’t mean he’s good enough long term


They've cashed out a handsome profit for their clubs. Meanwhile, our team is half-full of retired seniors, while the other half are all running their contracts down to leave on a free.

What exactly is long-term to you? Chelsea have won 5 titles since we last won ours. They have an excellent recruiting division, top training infrastructure, and a culture of getting results above all else. That is what matters long-term, not the person pacing around the dugout.

When Conte was hired, he wasn't asked to rebuild the club. He was told to win. Same with Mourinho before him, or Sarri after him. All three left with silverware. Lampard and AVB are the only 2 managers in the past decade that didn't win anything.


New flash we aren’t Chelsea mate, we don’t have the money and resources to change managers every 2 years and give every new manager 200M+ every summer.

Which is why like I said we have to think long term and Tuchel is not good enough for a club like us Long term, will be found out like Emery you’ll love him at the start and 2 seasons or so in you’ll realise he’s not it.
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Re: Available Managers

Postby Angelito » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:54 pm

KG3 wrote:
aniym wrote:
KG3 wrote:
aniym wrote:
KG3 wrote:

Tuchel is no longer an option which is good, Unai Emery level manager at best.


Tuchel's developed young talent like Dembele and Pulisic. Arteta on the other hand kicks them out so Willian, Luiz and Xhaka can remain gainfully employed.


And what exactly have Dembele and Pulisic done since leaving Tuchels Dortmund?

He’s better than Arteta so what? Doesn’t mean he’s good enough long term


They've cashed out a handsome profit for their clubs. Meanwhile, our team is half-full of retired seniors, while the other half are all running their contracts down to leave on a free.

What exactly is long-term to you? Chelsea have won 5 titles since we last won ours. They have an excellent recruiting division, top training infrastructure, and a culture of getting results above all else. That is what matters long-term, not the person pacing around the dugout.

When Conte was hired, he wasn't asked to rebuild the club. He was told to win. Same with Mourinho before him, or Sarri after him. All three left with silverware. Lampard and AVB are the only 2 managers in the past decade that didn't win anything.


New flash we aren’t Chelsea mate, we don’t have the money and resources to change managers every 2 years and give every new manager 200M+ every summer.

Which is why like I said we have to think long term and Tuchel is not good enough for a club like us Long term, will be found out like Emery you’ll love him at the start and 2 seasons or so in you’ll realise he’s not it.


Money wasn't an issue when Wenger was getting top-4. It wasn't an issue when we were winning league titles and challenging for titles even when we didn't have the resources that ManU or European elites were spoilt for.

Atleti under Simeone spend loads of money but Simeone also generates a ton and they have an ambitious board.

Liverpool's owners have always been more tactful. They caught a lucky break with some of their purchases and Klopp's arrival. Poch didn't spend astronomical sums at Spurs to make them top-4 regulars.

What people don't like, and can't accept, is how Arteta failed with his initial judgment. We turned the corner thanks to ESR's arrival, and Martinelli, which allowed Saka to hit this peak form.

What I don't like is the flip-flopping. A few weeks ago, we apparently had an abysmal squad and there was nothing Arteta could do. Now, we are within reach of Europe, those voices have been silenced.

We relied on Wenger for two decades. Now we don't have a shield. We have to actually work hard rather than trusting Wenger's genius-ness.

It was obvious that we needed an attacking mid in the summer more so than a DM or a B2B player if we weren't intending to play Ozil. ESR has been God-send for Arsenal, yet this predicament could have been avoided if Mikel wasn't cocky.

We are excelling thanks to ESR, Laca, and Saka. None of them, it appeared, were concrete players in Mikel's plans during the summer.
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Re: Available Managers

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:00 pm

KG3 wrote:
New flash we aren’t Chelsea mate, we don’t have the money and resources to change managers every 2 years and give every new manager 200M+ every summer.

Which is why like I said we have to think long term and Tuchel is not good enough for a club like us Long term, will be found out like Emery you’ll love him at the start and 2 seasons or so in you’ll realise he’s not it.


You're missing my point. You are focusing on Tuchel and his philosophy, and I'm focusing on the club's philosophy. Tuchel will not get all his transfer targets, same as Lampard didn't. He wanted Auba and Declan Rice, he got Werner and Havertz, and was told to make it work.

At Chelsea, most managers have made it work, and won a major trophy in their first year. Chelsea's most influential signings in the 2010s have been Hazard, Fabregas, Costa and Kante, bought over 4 different windows. Total cost: £120m. That is hardly out of reach for us, we have just spent our money terribly for several years, and generally failed to retain important players, causing us to spend unnecessarily to replace them.

The club's strategic vision matters more than the manager. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like we've taken any lessons from the Wenger era. We tried w/ Emery for a bit, but then went straight to a first-time manager and made him responsible for creating a new team and new system. As a result, we have continued to score own goals with the Willian deal and the exiling of Balogun, Saliba and Guendouzi.

Which means that we will be right back to ground zero when Arteta leaves.
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Re: Available Managers

Postby Arsenal Tone » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:53 pm

Tony Adams wrote:
aniym wrote:
Tony Adams wrote:Whoever is in charge when ozil and mustafi finally f off will be the one who is in the right place at the right time and get us back to challenging for titles imo


It never works that way. The new manager will need to deal with the reality of good players leaving and poor players staying, and not getting your targets in the transfer market.

Arteta is unique in the sense that he got 2 out of 3 of his handpicked targets this summer. Even Wenger rarely got more than one top pick a year. When we got Ozil, we also got Sanogo. With Alexis, we also got Welbeck.
What I mean is the wage bill is cleared, the disruptive influences have gone and the last of Wenger's mess is clearing. Ozil is a massive cloud over any manager's head, play him and you're playing with ten and a half men, leave him out and you'll be asked about it after every poor performance. Was an issue for both Emery and Arteta.

I think if Arteta can survive until the summer he'll be successful, I'm just not sure the fans will give him that long.
^ said this in November.

Obviously Arteta thought 'f... it' and made it happen in January!!!
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Re: Available Managers

Postby Ach » Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:18 pm

Klopp might be available
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Re: Available Managers

Postby Arsenal Tone » Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:39 pm

Ach wrote:Klopp might be available
Yes please!
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Re: Available Managers

Postby Ach » Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:02 pm

He's finished tbh
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Re: Available Managers

Postby KG3 » Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:23 am

Tony Adams wrote:
Ach wrote:Klopp might be available
Yes please!


Even if that was a realistic target Klopp wouldn’t be able to replicate what he has achieved at Liverpool, main reason being no one is going to be stupid enough to buy an Arsenal player for 120M like they did Coutinho, pr even half that money tbh.

They got lucky with that, had no one purchased Coutinho there would be no Van Dijk or Alisson, they would have been a few more years from challenging.
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Re: Available Managers

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:45 pm

KG3 wrote:
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Ach wrote:Klopp might be available
Yes please!


Even if that was a realistic target Klopp wouldn’t be able to replicate what he has achieved at Liverpool, main reason being no one is going to be stupid enough to buy an Arsenal player for 120M like they did Coutinho, pr even half that money tbh.

They got lucky with that, had no one purchased Coutinho there would be no Van Dijk or Alisson, they would have been a few more years from challenging.


We didn't sell a Coutinho, yet we had money to pay for Pepe who cost the same as VVD. Alisson is overrated and never worth 70m.

The most important players in Klopp's system cost no more than 35m each. Fabinho and VVD being the exceptions.

VVD and Alisson didn't prevent Barca from going 3-0 up in the CL SF first leg. He instilled a winning mentality. Origi, TAA and Wijnaldum won them the second leg, and none of whom are WC.
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