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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:55 am

indy23 wrote:If that's the case enjoy playing pub Europa sides before losing to our equals like atheltico and bvb.

Both have checked the title more recently than us. Both were actually in the Champions League which we couldn't qualify for. Both were in Champions League Finals more recently than us. Dortmund have actually won a Champions League trophy. And at this point, the level of both is much higher than the 6th ranked side we are. Still, magic of the cup.

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indy23 wrote:If that's the case enjoy playing pub Europa sides before losing to our equals like atheltico and bvb.


At this point, I'd even argue that Atletico and BVB are better than us at the moment. They do not have to compete with oil money, play in far less competitive leagues and as a result, do not have to pay inflated prices for average players. These clubs are conditioned to be second fiddles to the big boys of their respective leagues and have a consistent model of being selling clubs that buy low and sell high. We, on the other hand, are stuck between the conflicting idealogy of thinking we are a big club - but with small ambitions. We are in denial and unless we start spending serious cash, we will not be considered a big club.


Disagree a bit on the competing with money thing. Bayern buy any Dortmund player that gets too good, and Atletico have to compete with Real Madrid and Barcelona. And they actually do it somehow, can you imagine Arsenal being ahead of Madrid in the league or finishing just 10 points behind Bayern? We'd be slaughtered
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby CaptGooner » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:36 pm

Always see mentions about Wenger’s hands being tied, but never any concrete evidence to support it.

Wenger does what Wenger does because of what HE feels is best for the club.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Zenith » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:23 pm

↑ His hands were tied for 8 years.

Unfortunately for him that excuse has stopped holding water in 2014.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:35 pm

Zenith wrote:↑ His hands were tied for 8 years.

Unfortunately for him that excuse has stopped holding water in 2014.

2013 when we bought Ozil, to be more precise. He's been failing for 5 seasons now, I could forgive him for everything up to 13/14 because he genuinely could not spend then
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby gamechannel » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:54 pm

GoonerAlexandre wrote:
Zenith wrote:↑ His hands were tied for 8 years.

Unfortunately for him that excuse has stopped holding water in 2014.

2013 when we bought Ozil, to be more precise. He's been failing for 5 seasons now, I could forgive him for everything up to 13/14 because he genuinely could not spend then


Who's to say he is allowed to spend now? Not defending Wenger for on pitch performances - but we are still dire in the transfer market.. even during the first 8 yrs post moving to Emirates where his hands were tied financially, the board and wenger constantly said there is money available to be spent, when in reality, there wasn't.. The board has maintained the same "there is money to be spent" message even today.. who is to say whether that is true still or not?

Our spend since 2013:
2013 - Bought Ozil, signed Sonogo - Sold Gervinho, Mannone and Chamakh - Net spent = 35 Million
2014 - Bought Alexis, Wellback, Debuchy, Gabriel, Chambers, Ospina, Beliek - Sold Vermaelen, Miguel, Djourou, Eisfeld - Net Spend = 82 million
2015 - Bough Cech, ElNeny - Sold Padolski - Net Spent = 20 million (In my opinion, it was to make up for extra money spent in 2014)
2016 - Bought Xhaka, Mustafi, Asano, Holding, Perez - Sold Gnabry, Wellington and got 2.2 million in Wilshere's load deal - Net Spent = $85 million
2017 - Bought Laca, Greek kid - Sold Gibbs, Ox, Chez, Gabriel - Net Spend = -12 million pounds (to make up for the heavy spending from last year)

Whenever we have spent big (more than 40-50 million) by our standards in one window, we have had to make up for it in the next window by selling players.. Is it Wenger being stingy? Highly unlikely. I don't think so. I think he is just toeing the company line by being silent about the lack of funds available to him. Remember, even during our tough days where money wasn't available for transfers, he always insisted the money is there only for him to recently come out and say that he didn't really have money to spend. So it all makes me think that Stan and his cronies have restricted funds for transfers and perhaps that is why they are reluctant to let Wenger go.. cuz Wenger will toe the company line and work with limited funds based on his love for Arsenal.. no other big name manager they hire in his place would be willing to come in with little funding available which will refrain him from overhauling the squad the way he would want to.

Does that make Wenger any less guilty? Nope. He is an accomplice in all of this. However, his motives for being part of this circus may be completely different than cash grabbing Stan and board.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby indy23 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:41 pm

gamechannel wrote:
GoonerAlexandre wrote:
Zenith wrote:↑ His hands were tied for 8 years.

Unfortunately for him that excuse has stopped holding water in 2014.

2013 when we bought Ozil, to be more precise. He's been failing for 5 seasons now, I could forgive him for everything up to 13/14 because he genuinely could not spend then


Who's to say he is allowed to spend now? Not defending Wenger for on pitch performances - but we are still dire in the transfer market.. even during the first 8 yrs post moving to Emirates where his hands were tied financially, the board and wenger constantly said there is money available to be spent, when in reality, there wasn't.. The board has maintained the same "there is money to be spent" message even today.. who is to say whether that is true still or not?

Our spend since 2013:
2013 - Bought Ozil, signed Sonogo - Sold Gervinho, Mannone and Chamakh - Net spent = 35 Million
2014 - Bought Alexis, Wellback, Debuchy, Gabriel, Chambers, Ospina, Beliek - Sold Vermaelen, Miguel, Djourou, Eisfeld - Net Spend = 82 million
2015 - Bough Cech, ElNeny - Sold Padolski - Net Spent = 20 million (In my opinion, it was to make up for extra money spent in 2014)
2016 - Bought Xhaka, Mustafi, Asano, Holding, Perez - Sold Gnabry, Wellington and got 2.2 million in Wilshere's load deal - Net Spent = $85 million
2017 - Bought Laca, Greek kid - Sold Gibbs, Ox, Chez, Gabriel - Net Spend = -12 million pounds (to make up for the heavy spending from last year)

Whenever we have spent big (more than 40-50 million) by our standards in one window, we have had to make up for it in the next window by selling players.. Is it Wenger being stingy? Highly unlikely. I don't think so. I think he is just toeing the company line by being silent about the lack of funds available to him. Remember, even during our tough days where money wasn't available for transfers, he always insisted the money is there only for him to recently come out and say that he didn't really have money to spend. So it all makes me think that Stan and his cronies have restricted funds for transfers and perhaps that is why they are reluctant to let Wenger go.. cuz Wenger will toe the company line and work with limited funds based on his love for Arsenal.. no other big name manager they hire in his place would be willing to come in with little funding available which will refrain him from overhauling the squad the way he would want to.

Does that make Wenger any less guilty? Nope. He is an accomplice in all of this. However, his motives for being part of this circus may be completely different than cash grabbing Stan and board.



This is based on speculation. We won't know anything until he's gone. It's not about the players coming anymore it's that Wenger is a loser now. Plain N simple .... Look the amount of goals we are conceding ..... He doesn't know how to build a team or win anymore. Lemar or Sanchez it don't matter as long as he's here we won't win.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby ARSHAVIN 77 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:47 pm

My reasonable wish list : Howedes, Evans, Rafinha and Lemar (I'm afraid is too expansive for us, any way 100 millions Euros is too much for him)
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby gamechannel » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:46 pm

indy23 wrote:
gamechannel wrote:
GoonerAlexandre wrote:
Zenith wrote:↑ His hands were tied for 8 years.

Unfortunately for him that excuse has stopped holding water in 2014.

2013 when we bought Ozil, to be more precise. He's been failing for 5 seasons now, I could forgive him for everything up to 13/14 because he genuinely could not spend then


Who's to say he is allowed to spend now? Not defending Wenger for on pitch performances - but we are still dire in the transfer market.. even during the first 8 yrs post moving to Emirates where his hands were tied financially, the board and wenger constantly said there is money available to be spent, when in reality, there wasn't.. The board has maintained the same "there is money to be spent" message even today.. who is to say whether that is true still or not?

Our spend since 2013:
2013 - Bought Ozil, signed Sonogo - Sold Gervinho, Mannone and Chamakh - Net spent = 35 Million
2014 - Bought Alexis, Wellback, Debuchy, Gabriel, Chambers, Ospina, Beliek - Sold Vermaelen, Miguel, Djourou, Eisfeld - Net Spend = 82 million
2015 - Bough Cech, ElNeny - Sold Padolski - Net Spent = 20 million (In my opinion, it was to make up for extra money spent in 2014)
2016 - Bought Xhaka, Mustafi, Asano, Holding, Perez - Sold Gnabry, Wellington and got 2.2 million in Wilshere's load deal - Net Spent = $85 million
2017 - Bought Laca, Greek kid - Sold Gibbs, Ox, Chez, Gabriel - Net Spend = -12 million pounds (to make up for the heavy spending from last year)

Whenever we have spent big (more than 40-50 million) by our standards in one window, we have had to make up for it in the next window by selling players.. Is it Wenger being stingy? Highly unlikely. I don't think so. I think he is just toeing the company line by being silent about the lack of funds available to him. Remember, even during our tough days where money wasn't available for transfers, he always insisted the money is there only for him to recently come out and say that he didn't really have money to spend. So it all makes me think that Stan and his cronies have restricted funds for transfers and perhaps that is why they are reluctant to let Wenger go.. cuz Wenger will toe the company line and work with limited funds based on his love for Arsenal.. no other big name manager they hire in his place would be willing to come in with little funding available which will refrain him from overhauling the squad the way he would want to.

Does that make Wenger any less guilty? Nope. He is an accomplice in all of this. However, his motives for being part of this circus may be completely different than cash grabbing Stan and board.



This is based on speculation. We won't know anything until he's gone. It's not about the players coming anymore it's that Wenger is a loser now. Plain N simple .... Look the amount of goals we are conceding ..... He doesn't know how to build a team or win anymore. Lemar or Sanchez it don't matter as long as he's here we won't win.


That is why I said I am not defending his on-pitch performance as a coach cuz he has been dismal. This discussion is about his alleged unwillingness to spend - which I think is not his doing. Instead, is being dictated by the lack of transfer funds he has had during the emirates years.

On the coaching side of things, I still think the shit we see on the pitch week in week is a 2-part issue. Half of it is coaching. But half of it is also out of necessity to play players who are not good enough being hamstrung by a small transfer budget.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Sims » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:02 pm

mohammed boufhasi says monaco will not consider bids any lower than €70m
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Zedie » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:18 pm

Sims wrote:mohammed boufhasi says monaco will not consider bids any lower than €70m


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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:29 pm

gamechannel wrote: That is why I said I am not defending his on-pitch performance as a coach cuz he has been dismal. This discussion is about his alleged unwillingness to spend - which I think is not his doing. Instead, is being dictated by the lack of transfer funds he has had during the emirates years.

On the coaching side of things, I still think the shit we see on the pitch week in week is a 2-part issue. Half of it is coaching. But half of it is also out of necessity to play players who are not good enough being hamstrung by a small transfer budget.


But you're just plain wrong ..... over the last five years we've spent net more than Liverpool, Chelsea and a whole heap more than Spuds ..... if Wonger chooses not to offload the likes of Mert, Walcott, Bellerin for decent money and reinvest in the team, that's his fault, if he chooses to fund half a dozen sicknotes who barely play, that's his fault .... and if he blows the transfer budget on 'average' players like Xhaka, Mus, Welbeck ... well whose fault is that? ....

He's had the money, he makes the transfer decisions .... he's just blown it ......

at the very worst we should be a strong third .... not feckin' sixth ....

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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby elber » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:39 am

gamechannel wrote:
redordead wrote:
gamechannel wrote: I hate Wenger as much as any other Wenger Out proponent - but I do believe the problems run way deeper in this club and actually start with the owner and the board. Wenger, although an arguably incompetent coach, has had his hands tied and perhaps has been too loyal to Arsenal football club that he does not want to leave the club into anyone else's hands knowing full well that any incoming manager will have to deal with similar BS from the owner and the board and will likely fail on the footballing side and will have a public falling out with the club bringing to light the inner turmoil at the club. I think Arsene is now trying to protect the sacred Arsenal name from public humiliation. I genuinely believe Arsene has been sacrificing his own professional ambitions because he loves Arsenal too much and does not want the idiots sitting in the boardroom run the club into the ground if he is not around.


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Absolute nonsense. Wenger doesn't want to leave simply because he's a megalomaniac. He knows he wouldn't get that power at any other big club, and he's trying to milk it for as long as possible.

I genuinely don't think he even loves the club. It's the job he cherishes.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:49 pm

He does love the club because in his eyes he built this club in his image and it is the job.

What he doesn't love is the fans, he also has lost his appetite for being competitive.

He literally thinks he makes the rules of football and now he's so overshadowed in power and influence by your Utd's, Cities, Chelsea and with Liverpool and Spurs threatening to take our spot i think Wenger may finally crack.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby HolyCow » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:24 pm

Chapter One: Overview of Megalomania
It's not money so much as it is ego. You see it everywhere all throughout history, it's a basic human flaw. A person reaches a position of power/high social standing and views himself as some kind of unassailable person who is superior to others and thinks it inconceivable to willingly give it all up. Their ego is so great that they become rigidly self-assured and unwilling to adapt when things start to go wrong because doing so would mean acknowledging their own mistakes or flaws. They're also unwilling to take others' advice seriously. They'd rather they depend solely on their own intellect and intuition, which earned them success in the first place, to dig them out of a hole. If doing so fails to achieve the same success and respect they previously had, they start to become agitated, unhinged, and begin kicking water bottles and wearing coats that resemble sleeping bags with arms.

Chapter Two: Wenger and the Development of His Megalomania
Wenger achieved success in England rather quickly and did so by implementing a style a football that was revolutionary at the time and he was greatly admired for it. He also seemed to have an uncanny talent for scouting and signing young hidden gems from overseas who would go on to form the core of several outstanding squads during the first half of his Arsenal career. The more he impressed, the more his ego skyrocketed.
Unfortunately, other clubs adapted. Many adjusted their playing style (bus parking), started scouting more overseas, and most most unfortunate, oil money from Russia and the Arab world completely undermined Wenger's ability to buy who he wanted and made it very difficult to hang on to his best players.

Chapter Three: Megalomaniac's Self-Destruction
What did Wenger do to adapt to this? Pretty much nothing. The only change in his approach has been the two expensive purchases of already established top players: Ozil and Sanchez. He'd still play intricate Wengerball if he could but the squad simply isn't good enough. He's lost it. His tactics are confusing, he often puts players out of position, and he almost refuses to strengthen the blatantly weak areas of the team that everyone knows are weak because doing so would be admitting that he failed outwit everyone. As a consequence, he's reluctant to sell once promising flops (Ox, Gibbs, etc.) and is reluctant to make other moves (admissions of failing) like giving up on god-awful Iwobi, Welbeck, and the joke that is Walcott.

Chapter Four: Wenger's Megalomania and his Enablers
Wenger's ego is the problem. It's made him too prideful and too rigid. It's also made it nearly impossible for him to willingly walk away from the club when he seems to be doing more damage than good. The board have been content keeping him since he's been able to regularly get Champions League money and regularly bring in the money from selling out the Emirates with what are the most expensive tickets in the league but that all seems to be changing. Once the board realizes that Wenger's ego and age are preventing him from being the cash cow they previously consistently supported, they'll look for a new manager (I wouldn't be surprised if they're already looking for one given how things are going).

Chapter Five: Outcome of Megalomania
Sadly, Wenger's ego has been his undoing and it's done serious damage to his legacy given that about the latter half of his managerial career at Arsenal has arguably moved the club in the wrong direction.

Chapter Six: I realized I typed way too much
I'd psychoanalyze him in greater depth but my keyboard is about to catch fire from too much typing plus my next patient is here (Balotelli).
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Losmeister » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:43 pm

:tumbleweed: whats with the epistles these days... ??


at least rhyme if wannus to read all that
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