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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:41 pm

Arsene Nose wrote:Monaco now asking for 60 mil. Fck them and the horse they rode in on.

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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Arsene Nose » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:59 pm

Monaco can go do one. He's not worth 60 mil after one decent season. 45 take it or leave it.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Arsene Nose » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:00 pm

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Arsene Nose wrote:Monaco now asking for 60 mil. Fck them and the horse they rode in on.

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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Mike Dean » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:07 pm

Arsene Nose wrote:Monaco can go do one. He's not worth 60 mil after one decent season. 45 take it or leave it.


They will gladly leave it. They can get more next summer while getting production from him this season while we ride Walcott and Wenger to yet another out if 4th finish in the league.

Clearly Wenger loves him and thinks highly of him or else he woudnt be after him.

But the typical Arsenal cheapness always gets in the way which is why he hasn't won the league for so long.

Same old same old...
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby CaptGooner » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:20 pm

Arsene Nose wrote:Monaco can go do one. He's not worth 60 mil after one decent season. 45 take it or leave it.

In today's market, IMO 60m for a 21 year old talent producing at a high level isn't bad. If he has another great year, price will only go up. Can either pay what the market rate is, or not.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:21 pm

Mike Dean wrote:
Arsene Nose wrote:Monaco now asking for 60 mil. Fck them and the horse they rode in on.


They have always been asking 60-80.


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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Arsene Nose » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:29 pm

CaptGooner wrote:
Arsene Nose wrote:Monaco can go do one. He's not worth 60 mil after one decent season. 45 take it or leave it.

In today's market, IMO 60m for a 21 year old talent producing at a high level isn't bad. If he has another great year, price will only go up. Can either pay what the market rate is, or not.

It isn't bad, it's insane. Basically a few clubs with bottomless budgets have destroyed the transfer market. Today a Monaco can ask anything their little heart desires with the full knowledge that a City, Chelsea, United or Real will pony up. Nobody else is paying this kind of money. This is not a logical valuation for a player who wasn't even playing top flight football two season ago.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby CaptGooner » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:39 pm

Arsene Nose wrote:
CaptGooner wrote:
Arsene Nose wrote:Monaco can go do one. He's not worth 60 mil after one decent season. 45 take it or leave it.

In today's market, IMO 60m for a 21 year old talent producing at a high level isn't bad. If he has another great year, price will only go up. Can either pay what the market rate is, or not.

It isn't bad, it's insane. Basically a few clubs with bottomless budgets have destroyed the transfer market. Today a Monaco can ask anything their little heart desires with the full knowledge that a City, Chelsea, United or Real will pony up. Nobody else is paying this kind of money. This is not a logical valuation for a player who wasn't even playing top flight football two season ago.

TV earnings have also greatly increased. Bottomless budgets are not the only thing inflating the market (although it does help).

Data suggests we have money to spend, so we can either spend to compete for the league, or spend it to compete as a cup team.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Arsene Nose » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:57 pm

CaptGooner wrote:
Arsene Nose wrote:
CaptGooner wrote:
Arsene Nose wrote:Monaco can go do one. He's not worth 60 mil after one decent season. 45 take it or leave it.

In today's market, IMO 60m for a 21 year old talent producing at a high level isn't bad. If he has another great year, price will only go up. Can either pay what the market rate is, or not.

It isn't bad, it's insane. Basically a few clubs with bottomless budgets have destroyed the transfer market. Today a Monaco can ask anything their little heart desires with the full knowledge that a City, Chelsea, United or Real will pony up. Nobody else is paying this kind of money. This is not a logical valuation for a player who wasn't even playing top flight football two season ago.

TV earnings have also greatly increased. Bottomless budgets are not the only thing inflating the market (although it does help).

Data suggests we have money to spend, so we can either spend to compete for the league, or spend it to compete as a cup team.

These are all separate topics that you're lumping into one.
1. We have money to spend but within limits cause there is no external funding. Remember we have an openly disclosed self sustaining model.
2. TV earnings have increased but are not high enough to fund Mbappe at 160 mil or a player like Lemar who frankly wouldn't start for City or Chelsea at 60 mil.
3. Four clubs are running riot with spending and uefa has no control over the situation.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Zedie » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:25 pm

Arsene Nose wrote:
CaptGooner wrote:
Arsene Nose wrote:
CaptGooner wrote:
Arsene Nose wrote:Monaco can go do one. He's not worth 60 mil after one decent season. 45 take it or leave it.

In today's market, IMO 60m for a 21 year old talent producing at a high level isn't bad. If he has another great year, price will only go up. Can either pay what the market rate is, or not.

It isn't bad, it's insane. Basically a few clubs with bottomless budgets have destroyed the transfer market. Today a Monaco can ask anything their little heart desires with the full knowledge that a City, Chelsea, United or Real will pony up. Nobody else is paying this kind of money. This is not a logical valuation for a player who wasn't even playing top flight football two season ago.

TV earnings have also greatly increased. Bottomless budgets are not the only thing inflating the market (although it does help).

Data suggests we have money to spend, so we can either spend to compete for the league, or spend it to compete as a cup team.

These are all separate topics that you're lumping into one.
1. We have money to spend but within limits cause there is no external funding. Remember we have an openly disclosed self sustaining model.
2. TV earnings have increased but are not high enough to fund Mbappe at 160 mil or a player like Lemar who frankly wouldn't start for City or Chelsea at 60 mil.
3. Four clubs are running riot with spending and uefa has no control over the situation.


Agree on points 1 and 3, 2 only partially. Lemar wouldn't start for them because they only go for finished articles, there's no learning for players at those clubs.

Regardless, particularly in respect to point 3, the harsh reality is that fifa and UEFA are powerless to do anything about it. They know they'll get destroyed by the world's richest because they have the deepest pockets for legal challenges.

In this day and age, the stakes are too high and costs too great to take a moral stand. We don't spend we go backwards because standing still is taking us further away from those pressing ahead regardless.

The day of your local football team at the top is done. You want real football for normal? Start following a local club with local players. Try it, it's actually fun to go to a small scale club in a small scale league where a pint is still £3 and if you go regularly, you get to know the people around you. Shit, you'll probably know people you grew up with in any case.

Football died a long time ago at the top level but it lives on in the grass roots.

For arsenal, we simply can't rely on mainly finding hidden gems we need to spend the relevant amounts on the relevant talents. It simply won't work to sit and wait for everything to return to a bygone age because that simply won't happen.

£60m for Lemar? That's the price we pay if we want to move forward.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Arsene Nose » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:29 pm

I don't have that luxury. My local club is Millwall.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Mike Dean » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:35 pm

There are those that make excuses and then those that make things happen and win trophies.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Arsene Nose » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:45 pm

Mike Dean wrote:There are those that make excuses and then those that make things happen and win trophies.

Yeah Chelsea and City really made things happen by whoring themselves out. No thanks.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby Mike Dean » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:56 pm

Arsene Nose wrote:
Mike Dean wrote:There are those that make excuses and then those that make things happen and win trophies.

Yeah Chelsea and City really made things happen by whoring themselves out. No thanks.


Like I said, trophies or no trophies.

But now it's going to get even worse.

Top 4 or no top 4.
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Re: Thomas Lemar

Postby CaptGooner » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:24 pm

Arsene Nose wrote:
Mike Dean wrote:There are those that make excuses and then those that make things happen and win trophies.

Yeah Chelsea and City really made things happen by whoring themselves out. No thanks.

Hey you are entitled to your own belief. If you would rather take the traditional approach of spending within means/developing, and are satisfied with top 4/cups, then I respect it.

For others who want to challenge for the league, grow club brand, etc. then have to pivot on strategy. I for one would at least like us to start with spending the money that's actually available, while also spending on need areas.
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