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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby gooney » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:52 pm

CynicalGooner wrote:Seems to have come from a reliable source, as in Barca's unofficial mouthpiece in the press (like David Ornstein for us).

If true it's a shit load of wasted time and effort but it seems like both Barca and Suarez were being difficult. Whilst I do want him here and think he'd be a success, obligation to buy deals are terrible business so maybe it's for the best.

Barca were being difficult? We wanted to loan their player with no obligation to buy and they were difficult? It shows how messed up the club is. We cant even ommit to buying him, shows how much we rate him
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:24 pm

I'd think we have a backup in mind if Suarez fell through. What about Malcom? No way he is going to get in the squad with Dembele tearing it up on the wing.

Similar to how we pursued Higuain and ended up with Ozil. There must be another player at Barca who we're in talks with.
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby CynicalGooner » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:44 pm

gooney wrote:
CynicalGooner wrote:Seems to have come from a reliable source, as in Barca's unofficial mouthpiece in the press (like David Ornstein for us).

If true it's a shit load of wasted time and effort but it seems like both Barca and Suarez were being difficult. Whilst I do want him here and think he'd be a success, obligation to buy deals are terrible business so maybe it's for the best.

Barca were being difficult? We wanted to loan their player with no obligation to buy and they were difficult? It shows how messed up the club is. We cant even ommit to buying him, shows how much we rate him

Barca wanted £20m for a player who they bought back for €3.5m three years ago, who they don't even rate and has barely played, and are enforcing any loan deal to have an obligation to meet that price in the summer. Yes gooney, they are being difficult
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby Ach » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:50 pm

Clubs loan players all the bloody time without the commitment to buy.

This is Barca being c****. Nothing more.
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby Fran Solo » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:51 pm

Sims wrote:i just dont think we want an obligation to buy for a player that is pretty much average and not an improvement on anyone we have in the slightest

a fair enough reason


A very good reason. We were not surrendering to their demand. We used to be too soft when negotiating.
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby Sims » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:04 am

Ach wrote:Clubs loan players all the bloody time without the commitment to buy.

This is Barca being c***. Nothing more.


Unless they’re youth players I can’t remember another team loaning out someone of Suarez’s age and someone they want to get rid of without an option/obligation to buy

We do, because we’re an awfully run club
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby Marsbar100 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:12 am

If he does come all this can't be to good for his confidence tbh.
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby elber » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:39 am

CynicalGooner wrote:
gooney wrote:
CynicalGooner wrote:Seems to have come from a reliable source, as in Barca's unofficial mouthpiece in the press (like David Ornstein for us).

If true it's a shit load of wasted time and effort but it seems like both Barca and Suarez were being difficult. Whilst I do want him here and think he'd be a success, obligation to buy deals are terrible business so maybe it's for the best.

Barca were being difficult? We wanted to loan their player with no obligation to buy and they were difficult? It shows how messed up the club is. We cant even ommit to buying him, shows how much we rate him

Barca wanted £20m for a player who they bought back for €3.5m three years ago, who they don't even rate and has barely played, and are enforcing any loan deal to have an obligation to meet that price in the summer. Yes gooney, they are being difficult


Agree.
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby swipe right » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:15 am

Barca clearly want to get rid of this guy. Makes me wonder why he is our number one transfer target?
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:16 am

swipe right wrote:Barca clearly want to get rid of this guy. Makes me wonder why he is our number one transfer target?


It's been a relatively quiet summer for all PL clubs barring the bottom ones. Among the top 6, we're the only one that needs to strengthen our midfield/wide players this badly.

We still haven't replaced Cazorla/Wilshere, Ox, Alexis and Walcott, plus Ramsey's leaving. And realistically, Ozil, Welbeck and Mikh will be headed out sooner rather than later.
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby swipe right » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:19 am

aniym wrote:
swipe right wrote:Barca clearly want to get rid of this guy. Makes me wonder why he is our number one transfer target?


It's been a relatively quiet summer for all PL clubs barring the bottom ones. Among the top 6, we're the only one that needs to strengthen our midfield/wide players this badly.

We still haven't replaced Cazorla/Wilshere, Ox, Alexis and Walcott, plus Ramsey's leaving. And realistically, Ozil, Welbeck and Mikh will be headed out sooner rather than later.

Nonsense. Pierre was Sanchez replacement. Guendouzi and Torreira our midfield replacements. Ozil and Mkhiy are going no where. We don’t need a wide player as long as the muppet manager plays three holding midfielders.
And Denis is a CM anyways.
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby gooney » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:43 am

CynicalGooner wrote:
gooney wrote:
CynicalGooner wrote:Seems to have come from a reliable source, as in Barca's unofficial mouthpiece in the press (like David Ornstein for us).

If true it's a shit load of wasted time and effort but it seems like both Barca and Suarez were being difficult. Whilst I do want him here and think he'd be a success, obligation to buy deals are terrible business so maybe it's for the best.

Barca were being difficult? We wanted to loan their player with no obligation to buy and they were difficult? It shows how messed up the club is. We cant even ommit to buying him, shows how much we rate him

Barca wanted £20m for a player who they bought back for €3.5m three years ago, who they don't even rate and has barely played, and are enforcing any loan deal to have an obligation to meet that price in the summer. Yes gooney, they are being difficult

if we think the player is not worth 20 million or that we cant commit to buying him. Why are we going after him. I stupidly though you look at your squad and see where you need to improve. You look in the market, find someone you think that can improve and you go for it. Either we believe the player can improve us or we dont. If we dont why are we even wasting time on it? We are in the wrong here. Its not about how much they bought player for and us making that argument
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby Zedie » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:48 am

gooney wrote:
CynicalGooner wrote:
gooney wrote:
CynicalGooner wrote:Seems to have come from a reliable source, as in Barca's unofficial mouthpiece in the press (like David Ornstein for us).

If true it's a shit load of wasted time and effort but it seems like both Barca and Suarez were being difficult. Whilst I do want him here and think he'd be a success, obligation to buy deals are terrible business so maybe it's for the best.

Barca were being difficult? We wanted to loan their player with no obligation to buy and they were difficult? It shows how messed up the club is. We cant even ommit to buying him, shows how much we rate him

Barca wanted £20m for a player who they bought back for €3.5m three years ago, who they don't even rate and has barely played, and are enforcing any loan deal to have an obligation to meet that price in the summer. Yes gooney, they are being difficult

if we think the player is not worth 20 million or that we cant commit to buying him. Why are we going after him. I stupidly though you look at your squad and see where you need to improve. You look in the market, find someone you think that can improve and you go for it. Either we believe the player can improve us or we dont. If we dont why are we even wasting time on it? We are in the wrong here. Its not about how much they bought player for and us making that argument


We need cover until the summer and obvs there isn't the calibre of player available in January unless we pay top dough, which we apparently can't do because of the wage cap.

It's pretty straight forward guess we should buy every player we try to loan in and sell every player we try to loan out by your logic.

Every club should apparently...
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby gooney » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:28 am

Zedie wrote:
gooney wrote:
CynicalGooner wrote:
gooney wrote:
CynicalGooner wrote:Seems to have come from a reliable source, as in Barca's unofficial mouthpiece in the press (like David Ornstein for us).

If true it's a shit load of wasted time and effort but it seems like both Barca and Suarez were being difficult. Whilst I do want him here and think he'd be a success, obligation to buy deals are terrible business so maybe it's for the best.

Barca were being difficult? We wanted to loan their player with no obligation to buy and they were difficult? It shows how messed up the club is. We cant even ommit to buying him, shows how much we rate him

Barca wanted £20m for a player who they bought back for €3.5m three years ago, who they don't even rate and has barely played, and are enforcing any loan deal to have an obligation to meet that price in the summer. Yes gooney, they are being difficult

if we think the player is not worth 20 million or that we cant commit to buying him. Why are we going after him. I stupidly though you look at your squad and see where you need to improve. You look in the market, find someone you think that can improve and you go for it. Either we believe the player can improve us or we dont. If we dont why are we even wasting time on it? We are in the wrong here. Its not about how much they bought player for and us making that argument


We need cover until the summer and obvs there isn't the calibre of player available in January unless we pay top dough, which we apparently can't do because of the wage cap.

It's pretty straight forward guess we should buy every player we try to loan in and sell every player we try to loan out by your logic.

Every club should apparently...

we need cover to achieve what? Get CL football? Do you think Suarez being part of the chance improve our chances to get CL or do you think we have enough? If you think he improves our chances you buy him. The money we make from CL and the players we can attract with CL will make it worth it. We been here many years and some of our fans simply dont get it. You spend now to improve and reap the rewards later. Our whole approach was we have just about enough to make CL for years when we used to make it. And instead of spending more to solidify the CL spot back in the day we choose to go with just about enough approach. When it failed we are now struggling to get to CL.
Chelsea is having mare and Mourinho did a lot of damage to United. This is our chance to get CL, so spend now. If 20 million is huge blow to our summer transfer budget then this club is in more serious trouble than even I thought. Paying the highest tickets in the world and one of the poorest clubs in the PL
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Re: Denis Suarez

Postby Zedie » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:08 pm

I don't think you're getting it. We need to sell to bring in as we are at wage cap according to ffp which for some dumb reason we follow.

If we signed anyone good, we'd breach cap. Sell ozil ramsey and other dead weights and we can do that but if we don't, we can't or we at least run the risk of a massive fine which we can't just pay off like the oil clubs and carry on like nothing has happened.
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