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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:45 pm

Maybe this has been a done deal all this time. Utd are bidding for Rabiot of all people, when this guy was seemingly available.

We might be saving this one for deadline day
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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby Jimmy Skitz » Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:14 pm

Power n Glory wrote:Talk is heating up. Some say a fee has been agreed.

about time its only taken you roughly 6 years (that's how long it feels like this has been talked about)
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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:21 pm

But then why are we apparently meeting for that AC Milan CM? also being linked with a host of others like Wolves CM etc.

I do think the same that player / club may have everything agreed and we're just going to hit Leicester with a bid once we've made them sweat a bit but I still don't understand today's Milan link which apparently we've sat and met with them?

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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:45 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:But then why are we apparently meeting for that AC Milan CM? also being linked with a host of others like Wolves CM etc.

I do think the same that player / club may have everything agreed and we're just going to hit Leicester with a bid once we've made them sweat a bit but I still don't understand today's Milan link which apparently we've sat and met with them?

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If we're waiting to bid, that would be dumb because Chelsea are ready to pay £80m for Fofana. If Leicester seal that deal, they won't have to sell Tielemans at all.
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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby TedLasso » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:06 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:But then why are we apparently meeting for that AC Milan CM? also being linked with a host of others like Wolves CM etc.

I do think the same that player / club may have everything agreed and we're just going to hit Leicester with a bid once we've made them sweat a bit but I still don't understand today's Milan link which apparently we've sat and met with them?

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If we're waiting to bid, that would be dumb because Chelsea are ready to pay £80m for Fofana. If Leicester seal that deal, they won't have to sell Tielemans at all.


They aren't selling Tielemans because they need money, they're selling him because he's only got a year left and is unlikely to resign. Cash out now or get nothing.
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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby DiamondGooner » Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:43 pm

I bought Fofana on FIFA last year ......... just saying.

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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:11 pm

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Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:But then why are we apparently meeting for that AC Milan CM? also being linked with a host of others like Wolves CM etc.

I do think the same that player / club may have everything agreed and we're just going to hit Leicester with a bid once we've made them sweat a bit but I still don't understand today's Milan link which apparently we've sat and met with them?

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If we're waiting to bid, that would be dumb because Chelsea are ready to pay £80m for Fofana. If Leicester seal that deal, they won't have to sell Tielemans at all.


They aren't selling Tielemans because they need money, they're selling him because he's only got a year left and is unlikely to resign. Cash out now or get nothing.


They haven't bought a single player this window and promoted a reserve GK to replace Schmeichel. They need money.
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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby Jimmy Skitz » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:59 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
TedLasso wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:But then why are we apparently meeting for that AC Milan CM? also being linked with a host of others like Wolves CM etc.

I do think the same that player / club may have everything agreed and we're just going to hit Leicester with a bid once we've made them sweat a bit but I still don't understand today's Milan link which apparently we've sat and met with them?

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If we're waiting to bid, that would be dumb because Chelsea are ready to pay £80m for Fofana. If Leicester seal that deal, they won't have to sell Tielemans at all.


They aren't selling Tielemans because they need money, they're selling him because he's only got a year left and is unlikely to resign. Cash out now or get nothing.


They haven't bought a single player this window and promoted a reserve GK to replace Schmeichel. They need money.

we have 27 players and can only name 25 in the squad we need to sell before we can buy so we don't have unregistered players hanging around.

That reserve keeper you're talking about is a full international and stared in the last Euros
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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby UFGN » Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:04 pm

Jimmy Skitz wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
TedLasso wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:But then why are we apparently meeting for that AC Milan CM? also being linked with a host of others like Wolves CM etc.

I do think the same that player / club may have everything agreed and we're just going to hit Leicester with a bid once we've made them sweat a bit but I still don't understand today's Milan link which apparently we've sat and met with them?

Who know's?


If we're waiting to bid, that would be dumb because Chelsea are ready to pay £80m for Fofana. If Leicester seal that deal, they won't have to sell Tielemans at all.


They aren't selling Tielemans because they need money, they're selling him because he's only got a year left and is unlikely to resign. Cash out now or get nothing.


They haven't bought a single player this window and promoted a reserve GK to replace Schmeichel. They need money.

we have 27 players and can only name 25 in the squad we need to sell before we can buy so we don't have unregistered players hanging around.

That reserve keeper you're talking about is a full international and stared in the last Euros


You sure about that? You know some younger players don't need to be named in the squad and can still play
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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby Jimmy Skitz » Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:06 pm

UFGN wrote:
Jimmy Skitz wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
TedLasso wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:But then why are we apparently meeting for that AC Milan CM? also being linked with a host of others like Wolves CM etc.

I do think the same that player / club may have everything agreed and we're just going to hit Leicester with a bid once we've made them sweat a bit but I still don't understand today's Milan link which apparently we've sat and met with them?

Who know's?


If we're waiting to bid, that would be dumb because Chelsea are ready to pay £80m for Fofana. If Leicester seal that deal, they won't have to sell Tielemans at all.


They aren't selling Tielemans because they need money, they're selling him because he's only got a year left and is unlikely to resign. Cash out now or get nothing.


They haven't bought a single player this window and promoted a reserve GK to replace Schmeichel. They need money.

we have 27 players and can only name 25 in the squad we need to sell before we can buy so we don't have unregistered players hanging around.

That reserve keeper you're talking about is a full international and stared in the last Euros


You sure about that? You know some younger players don't need to be named in the squad and can still play

of the 28 players who were named in the squad number list Saturday only Luke Thomas doesn't need to be registered (and he will need to be next season), no one from the u23s was included
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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby Est83 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:32 pm

Everyone bar a select few "need the money". Fact is they have this window to sell him or he goes for free... the normal un-Arsenal way to deal with that matter is to simply sell.

Whether they're desperate for cash or not, they're not gonna play hardball. They'll let him go for £25/30m unless he extends.
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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby NovaGB » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:19 am

Est83 wrote:Everyone bar a select few "need the money". Fact is they have this window to sell him or he goes for free... the normal un-Arsenal way to deal with that matter is to simply sell.

Whether they're desperate for cash or not, they're not gonna play hardball. They'll let him go for £25/30m unless he extends.


There was reports at the beginning of the window that if a move doesn't materialise for him he is open to extending with Leicester, so i dont think its worth a gamble to let him run his contract down.
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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby Jimmy Skitz » Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:44 pm

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... -long-term

Leicester City remain the only Premier League club yet to sign a new player in this transfer window.

Even more worrying for supporters is the fact that some of their biggest stars - Wesley Fofana, James Maddison, Youri Tielemans, Harvey Barnes - are being targeted by some of the richest clubs in the Premier League.

So what's the problem? Is the club in financial trouble? Have Leicester lost their ambition? Are they now a selling club?

The answer to all of those questions is 'no'. It's all part of an unwavering plan which, whilst unpalatable to many Leicester fans, is consistent with their long-term strategy.

Let's deal first with the possible 'outgoings'. Leicester fans are understandably mortified at the prospect of losing one (or more) of the jewels in their crown - especially with no signs of new blood coming in.

They've already lost a favourite in Kasper Schmeichel, remember, with no prospect of a like-for-like replacement.

But so far, Schmeichel aside (who was given special dispensation because of his outstanding service to the club) the owners have rejected every bid that's come in for one of their best players. Chelsea's second bid for Fofana was more than double the one that Leicester paid St Etienne for him less than two years ago.

To sell now would sound like sensible business, no? Double your money in just over 18 months? Not if, like Leicester, you believe Fofana's value will grow still further after another season or two in the Premier League.

That's why they're very reluctant to sell now - unless Chelsea really are prepared to go big (and possibly eclipse the world record fee that Manchester United paid Leicester for Harry Maguire).

Leicester's approach might be more difficult to sustain if Fofana himself is desperate to leave. His cryptic Instagram message, saying he will annoy a lot of people if he does "what's best for him" has been interpreted as him favouring a move to Stamford Bridge.

But my understanding is that, whilst ambitious, he is happy at Leicester - hence him signing a contract extension just five months ago. And it's hard to see a player of Fofana's character going on strike, or agitating for a move like Riyad Mahrez did in 2018.

Leicester's success in recent years has been in selling one of their best players for top dollar and re-investing that money wisely. Look at the departures of Mahrez, N'Golo Kante, Ben Chilwell, and Maguire.

If they are to sell any of their superstars now, it will only be if the buying club is prepared to pay a premium. Whilst the pandemic hit King Power very hard as an international duty-free business, Leicester City is not in any financial trouble.

So no player will be sold on the cheap. And to that end, I've been told that privately, Leicester's bosses have found Newcastle's offers for Maddison verging on the offensive.

Furthermore, the price of each of those stars is rising by the day: a buying club will have to pay more for Youri Tielemans in the final week of the window compared with now because Leicester would then have little time to re-invest that money in a replacement.

Another key point to make is one of brutal reality: Leicester cannot compete, financially, with the 'Big 6'. Right now, no one (not even Liverpool, probably) can compete with Manchester City and Chelsea, in terms of financial clout.

Leicester have a plan to start to address that - but it will take years. Decades maybe.

At a cost of £100m, they built a quite brilliant new training ground which opened at Christmas and which, many feel, is as good as any other club facility in world football.

That was money which could have been spent on the squad. But Leicester's bosses felt it was more important to build something more lasting. Something which will help attract world-class signings in the future and help further develop the home-grown talent which has served Leicester so well already (see Barnes, Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall, Luke Thomas, for examples).

Almost exactly a year ago, they unveiled plans to build a new 220-room hotel, an events and entertainment venue, and plans to expand King Power Stadium by 8,000 seats to a total of 40,000.

Ambitious stuff. But - and here's the rub - when finished, the stadium will still be only just over half the size of Old Trafford.

At the time, in August 2021, the club's announcement read: "To continue competing in the Premier League…..requires a disciplined, sustainable and innovative business model…" And that statement perhaps best sums up Leicester's approach. To compete on the pitch with the best in the Premier League, you have to get closer to competing with them off the pitch.

So it's been a conscious plan to invest more of the club's finances right now in the club's infrastructure, rather than the first team. Tottenham did similar - and were similarly criticised - when they built their mesmeric Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.

But this isn't the only reason Leicester have been so quiet in this summer's transfer market. There is money for Brendan Rodgers to strengthen the squad, besides all the investment in buildings. But before any of that money is spent on new players, there is a determination that the squad must be trimmed.

Leicester's best team is very strong, as evidenced by the line-up Rodgers picked for the season opener against Brentford on Sunday, even without the injured Barnes and Ricardo. But they don't have the depth of quality throughout the wider squad that the 'Big 6' enjoy.

And yet, Leicester have a lot of 'senior pros' on big money who aren't part of Rodgers' plans going forward. Look at the likes of Caglar Soyuncu, Ryan Bertrand, Jannik Vestergaard, Ayoze Perez, Dennis Praet and Hamza Choudhury - three of whom weren't even in the matchday squad on Sunday, and watched from the stands.

It's tough to keep those players happy, if they're not playing. And unhappy players can affect the unity and positivity of an entire squad - characteristics that have served Leicester so well in winning the Premier League six years ago and the FA Cup in 2021.

And remember, Leicester don't have European football this season when some of those 'squad' players could get a runout.

The strategy is very clearly to get as many of those 'unwanted' players off the wage bill as possible, as soon as possible, before thinking of replacing them with new faces.

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Another problem is that Leicester only want to buy players who are as good, if not better, than players in their starting 11. And they're both difficult to find and expensive.

More than that, players of the sort of quality Leicester are interested in will want guaranteed football. Who's prepared to sit on the bench at the King Power Stadium, when you could be on more money, sitting on the bench at the Emirates, or St James' Park?

Add to this, the fact that Leicester had so many injuries last season. Vardy, Fofana, Wilfred Ndidi, Jonny Evans, Ricardo, James Justin, Timothy Castagne, Barnes, Maddison, and Soyuncu all had lengthy spells on the sidelines. This meant that players who might have been sold sooner, are still on the books.

Quite simply, Leicester needed the numbers last season. They don't this season.

Patience key
So to sum up: Leicester's bosses hope the supporters can remain patient. That the manager - hugely ambitious and coveted as he is - can remain patient too, and still buy into 'the Leicester way'. Rodgers, of course, would like to have more funds for players. But he understands and respects the Leicester model.

There's little doubt that - whilst Leicester's squad has stood still - the clubs they're competing with in the top half of the Premier League have progressed and strengthened.

The fans' fears are predictable and totally understandable. And an opening day home draw against Brentford did little to boost the expectations.

But it's a stark fact that, with the spending of the likes of Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs - and almost certainly Manchester United too by the end of the window - Leicester could spend £150m this summer and still be no more likely than they are now to break the top six.

It's a tough sell to explain that to Leicester's fee-paying public, who understandably want to see their squad getting stronger every year, with exciting, quality (expensive) new additions.

Leicester's bosses have to hope that the supporters understand and trust them that the clever management and strategy that has got Leicester to where they are will stand them in good stead for the future too.
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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:14 pm

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That reserve keeper you're talking about is a full international and stared in the last Euros


Who was that then? England's GKs are Pickford, Ramsdale, Henderson and Johnstone.
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Re: Youri Tielemans

Postby Jimmy Skitz » Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:17 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Jimmy Skitz wrote:
That reserve keeper you're talking about is a full international and stared in the last Euros


Who was that then? England's GKs are Pickford, Ramsdale, Henderson and Johnstone.

erm you do realise there are other countries that played in the Euro's right?
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