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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby MecurialGooner » Wed Aug 24, 2016 6:40 am

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Arsène Wenger pursuing Antoine Griezmann? We take a look

Squawka’s chief writer Greg Stobart released a report yesterday claiming that Arsenal have spent the summer pursuing Antoine Griezmann of Atletico Madrid.

GFFN received information to a similar effect this Monday lunchtime.

Arsène Wenger is understood to have begun to actively pursue the idea midway through EURO 2016, after watching Olivier Giroud and Antoine Griezmann compliment each other well going forward, notably against the Republic of Ireland. This was therefore after the announcement that Antoine Griezmann had signed a one year contract extension with Atleti until 2021.

The player’s €100m release clause has however so far been an impossible obstacle for Arsenal to overcome. Arsène Wenger has always been very clear that he is willing to spend money on world-class talent, they just have to be available.

€100m has however up to this point been too great a stretch, even though as Mr Stobart’s report insinuates, intermediaries working on behalf of Arsenal felt that the French international would be open and even interested in moving to the North London club.

It appears that the Arsenal board are not willing to give Wenger the funds to activate the player’s release clause, despite the currently hostile atmosphere surrounding the Emirates.

One thing that Arsenal cannot reproach Mr Wenger for therefore, is, he is at least trying to cause the “madness” that Arsenal fans have been craving for throughout the summer transfer window.


http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/20 ... ke-a-look/

If this report is true then all wenger outs need to be solely kroenke out


If this is true then why did Arsene stand up in a press conference last week and tell all us fans he had 350m to spend if he wanted to? Are you saying it's OK to tell the fans an outright lie and then expect them to support you? ... either he has the money and won't spend, or he's lying out of his arse?

A big part of a managers job is to demand the tools to do that job ... see Pep, Mourinho, Conte, Kloop, Poch, Ranieri .... they all told their Boards what they needed and then they all went out and got most of it ... surely even a senile old git like Arsene must have told the Board he needed a CF, CD, FB, and that he would like a decent wide AM and a CDM, even a feckin' Martian knew that's what was needed .... if the Board said no he should have throw his toys and told the fans ... did he? .... did he feck, instead he has consistently told us fans he has 'loadsa' money ... so is he an idiot who won't spend? or is he a liar who can't spend? .... either way he's still got to go ...


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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby Angelito » Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:45 am

Arsenal's entire structure is based on maximizing profits with minimum investment. It's the unspoken truth. We look at players as assets. Tomorrow, if we're forced to sell our British players, the price would double up - even if they're not top class. That's why Wenger persists with them. It's all a game of perception and image management.

When they have their meetings, I'm sure Wenger informs that we lack in so and so areas and would ideally want to reinforce. Wenger has the final say on who and how much. Agents may call Wenger and declare that so and so is available. But a long as Wenger doesn't deem the player necessary, Gazidis and the board won't compel him to buy.

In board meetings, I'm assuming looking at the trend, the singular goal is always attaining CL football with minimum reinforcements. If and when the CL qualification is in doubt, we will even pay over the odds. Right now, Wenger is confident of securing a top-4 finish, which is why he doesn't want to add UNLESS a top player becomes available. He won't go an extra mile because this team, as it is, will secure forth place. At least, that's what Wenger believes.

Wenger and everyone at Arsenal knows that we need a CF. If Lewandowski is available, Wenger will pay the required fee to get him. What he won't do is get into a bidding war, or actively pursue a player with an open cheque.

It's a simple assumption on how we think. Wenger/Gazidis would look at this squad and suppose top-4 is attainable. Of course, Wenger realizes that 2 or 3 more additions (CF, CB, RW) would take us very to close to the title. But we're talking of an investment of £100-£120m here. And even if we go ahead and secure those signings, we're not guaranteed to win the League.

So, in all likelihood, we could invest £40m this summer and get a top-4 finish. If we spend £100m, we will automatically get a top-4 finish, but we still wouldn't be guaranteed of a league title, or a CL trophy. Hence, Arsenal's route is the middle path. We aim to remain in the fringes of Europe'a elite and will do whatever it takes to ensure that. We, however, won't take that extra ride to secure we tower over others because - the probability of Arsenal winning the League, with a world class striker and CB, still wouldn't exceed the probability of City or United winning the league.

And even if we spend £150m this summer, Barca, Real, and Bayern remain favorites in the CL over Arsenal.

Therefore, for the Board and Wenger, why should they be spending that extra £60-80m when top-4 is easily attainable without such a spending spree AND when spending that sum doesn't guarantee a league title?

All the inductive reasoning we use is decaying the ideals of football in our club. But, hey - Wenger and the board appear to be logical than emotional, which is why I believe Arsenal appear like a dead club these days. There's no passion.
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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby MecurialGooner » Wed Aug 24, 2016 8:43 am

Angelito wrote:Arsenal's entire structure is based on maximizing profits with minimum investment. It's the unspoken truth. We look at players as assets. Tomorrow, if we're forced to sell our British players, the price would double up - even if they're not top class. That's why Wenger persists with them. It's all a game of perception and image management.

When they have their meetings, I'm sure Wenger informs that we lack in so and so areas and would ideally want to reinforce. Wenger has the final say on who and how much. Agents may call Wenger and declare that so and so is available. But a long as Wenger doesn't deem the player necessary, Gazidis and the board won't compel him to buy.

In board meetings, I'm assuming looking at the trend, the singular goal is always attaining CL football with minimum reinforcements. If and when the CL qualification is in doubt, we will even pay over the odds. Right now, Wenger is confident of securing a top-4 finish, which is why he doesn't want to add UNLESS a top player becomes available. He won't go an extra mile because this team, as it is, will secure forth place. At least, that's what Wenger believes.

Wenger and everyone at Arsenal knows that we need a CF. If Lewandowski is available, Wenger will pay the required fee to get him. What he won't do is get into a bidding war, or actively pursue a player with an open cheque.

It's a simple assumption on how we think. Wenger/Gazidis would look at this squad and suppose top-4 is attainable. Of course, Wenger realizes that 2 or 3 more additions (CF, CB, RW) would take us very to close to the title. But we're talking of an investment of £100-£120m here. And even if we go ahead and secure those signings, we're not guaranteed to win the League.

So, in all likelihood, we could invest £40m this summer and get a top-4 finish. If we spend £100m, we will automatically get a top-4 finish, but we still wouldn't be guaranteed of a league title, or a CL trophy. Hence, Arsenal's route is the middle path. We aim to remain in the fringes of Europe'a elite and will do whatever it takes to ensure that. We, however, won't take that extra ride to secure we tower over others because - the probability of Arsenal winning the League, with a world class striker and CB, still wouldn't exceed the probability of City or United winning the league.

And even if we spend £150m this summer, Barca, Real, and Bayern remain favorites in the CL over Arsenal.

Therefore, for the Board and Wenger, why should they be spending that extra £60-80m when top-4 is easily attainable without such a spending spree AND when spending that sum doesn't guarantee a league title?

All the inductive reasoning we use is decaying the ideals of football in our club. But, hey - Wenger and the board appear to be logical than emotional, which is why I believe Arsenal appear like a dead club these days. There's no passion.


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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby Luzh 22 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:39 am

Angelito wrote:Arsenal's entire structure is based on maximizing profits with minimum investment. It's the unspoken truth. We look at players as assets. Tomorrow, if we're forced to sell our British players, the price would double up - even if they're not top class. That's why Wenger persists with them. It's all a game of perception and image management.

When they have their meetings, I'm sure Wenger informs that we lack in so and so areas and would ideally want to reinforce. Wenger has the final say on who and how much. Agents may call Wenger and declare that so and so is available. But a long as Wenger doesn't deem the player necessary, Gazidis and the board won't compel him to buy.

In board meetings, I'm assuming looking at the trend, the singular goal is always attaining CL football with minimum reinforcements. If and when the CL qualification is in doubt, we will even pay over the odds. Right now, Wenger is confident of securing a top-4 finish, which is why he doesn't want to add UNLESS a top player becomes available. He won't go an extra mile because this team, as it is, will secure forth place. At least, that's what Wenger believes.

Wenger and everyone at Arsenal knows that we need a CF. If Lewandowski is available, Wenger will pay the required fee to get him. What he won't do is get into a bidding war, or actively pursue a player with an open cheque.

It's a simple assumption on how we think. Wenger/Gazidis would look at this squad and suppose top-4 is attainable. Of course, Wenger realizes that 2 or 3 more additions (CF, CB, RW) would take us very to close to the title. But we're talking of an investment of £100-£120m here. And even if we go ahead and secure those signings, we're not guaranteed to win the League.

So, in all likelihood, we could invest £40m this summer and get a top-4 finish. If we spend £100m, we will automatically get a top-4 finish, but we still wouldn't be guaranteed of a league title, or a CL trophy. Hence, Arsenal's route is the middle path. We aim to remain in the fringes of Europe'a elite and will do whatever it takes to ensure that. We, however, won't take that extra ride to secure we tower over others because - the probability of Arsenal winning the League, with a world class striker and CB, still wouldn't exceed the probability of City or United winning the league.

And even if we spend £150m this summer, Barca, Real, and Bayern remain favorites in the CL over Arsenal.

Therefore, for the Board and Wenger, why should they be spending that extra £60-80m when top-4 is easily attainable without such a spending spree AND when spending that sum doesn't guarantee a league title?

All the inductive reasoning we use is decaying the ideals of football in our club. But, hey - Wenger and the board appear to be logical than emotional, which is why I believe Arsenal appear like a dead club these days. There's no passion.


Bang on. It's business mentality.

What they're forgetting is players like Ozil and Sanchez are not complicit with that mentality. They will be off at the end of their contracts.
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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby CrimsonGunner11 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:56 am

Angelito wrote:Arsenal's entire structure is based on maximizing profits with minimum investment. It's the unspoken truth. We look at players as assets. Tomorrow, if we're forced to sell our British players, the price would double up - even if they're not top class. That's why Wenger persists with them. It's all a game of perception and image management.

When they have their meetings, I'm sure Wenger informs that we lack in so and so areas and would ideally want to reinforce. Wenger has the final say on who and how much. Agents may call Wenger and declare that so and so is available. But a long as Wenger doesn't deem the player necessary, Gazidis and the board won't compel him to buy.

In board meetings, I'm assuming looking at the trend, the singular goal is always attaining CL football with minimum reinforcements. If and when the CL qualification is in doubt, we will even pay over the odds. Right now, Wenger is confident of securing a top-4 finish, which is why he doesn't want to add UNLESS a top player becomes available. He won't go an extra mile because this team, as it is, will secure forth place. At least, that's what Wenger believes.

Wenger and everyone at Arsenal knows that we need a CF. If Lewandowski is available, Wenger will pay the required fee to get him. What he won't do is get into a bidding war, or actively pursue a player with an open cheque.

It's a simple assumption on how we think. Wenger/Gazidis would look at this squad and suppose top-4 is attainable. Of course, Wenger realizes that 2 or 3 more additions (CF, CB, RW) would take us very to close to the title. But we're talking of an investment of £100-£120m here. And even if we go ahead and secure those signings, we're not guaranteed to win the League.

So, in all likelihood, we could invest £40m this summer and get a top-4 finish. If we spend £100m, we will automatically get a top-4 finish, but we still wouldn't be guaranteed of a league title, or a CL trophy. Hence, Arsenal's route is the middle path. We aim to remain in the fringes of Europe'a elite and will do whatever it takes to ensure that. We, however, won't take that extra ride to secure we tower over others because - the probability of Arsenal winning the League, with a world class striker and CB, still wouldn't exceed the probability of City or United winning the league.

And even if we spend £150m this summer, Barca, Real, and Bayern remain favorites in the CL over Arsenal.

Therefore, for the Board and Wenger, why should they be spending that extra £60-80m when top-4 is easily attainable without such a spending spree AND when spending that sum doesn't guarantee a league title?

All the inductive reasoning we use is decaying the ideals of football in our club. But, hey - Wenger and the board appear to be logical than emotional, which is why I believe Arsenal appear like a dead club these days. There's no passion.


They need to realize though that signing these 90-100 mil players usually end up becoming wise investments. If we buy them for example and don't end up winning anything we could sell them for a lot more than what we paid for. As long as they are alert and proactive with players contracts then I don't see what they're afraid of.

Imagine what we could sell Sanchez and Ozil for if their contracts weren't running out
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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby Salibatelli » Wed Aug 24, 2016 11:14 am

Angelito wrote:Arsenal's entire structure is based on maximizing profits with minimum investment. It's the unspoken truth. We look at players as assets. Tomorrow, if we're forced to sell our British players, the price would double up - even if they're not top class. That's why Wenger persists with them. It's all a game of perception and image management.

When they have their meetings, I'm sure Wenger informs that we lack in so and so areas and would ideally want to reinforce. Wenger has the final say on who and how much. Agents may call Wenger and declare that so and so is available. But a long as Wenger doesn't deem the player necessary, Gazidis and the board won't compel him to buy.


I agree with this

In board meetings, I'm assuming looking at the trend, the singular goal is always attaining CL football with minimum reinforcements. If and when the CL qualification is in doubt, we will even pay over the odds. Right now, Wenger is confident of securing a top-4 finish, which is why he doesn't want to add UNLESS a top player becomes available. He won't go an extra mile because this team, as it is, will secure forth place. At least, that's what Wenger believes.

Wenger and everyone at Arsenal knows that we need a CF. If Lewandowski is available, Wenger will pay the required fee to get him. What he won't do is get into a bidding war, or actively pursue a player with an open cheque.


He'd never the pay the fee for Lewandowski, he'd cost way too much for Wenger to even consider it, as for the top player comment, there's been top players available, he hasn't go them so it's not correct.

It's a simple assumption on how we think. Wenger/Gazidis would look at this squad and suppose top-4 is attainable. Of course, Wenger realizes that 2 or 3 more additions (CF, CB, RW) would take us very to close to the title. But we're talking of an investment of £100-£120m here. And even if we go ahead and secure those signings, we're not guaranteed to win the League.

So, in all likelihood, we could invest £40m this summer and get a top-4 finish. If we spend £100m, we will automatically get a top-4 finish, but we still wouldn't be guaranteed of a league title, or a CL trophy. Hence, Arsenal's route is the middle path. We aim to remain in the fringes of Europe'a elite and will do whatever it takes to ensure that. We, however, won't take that extra ride to secure we tower over others because - the probability of Arsenal winning the League, with a world class striker and CB, still wouldn't exceed the probability of City or United winning the league.


There's no guarantees in football, however if you don't try and invest in the team it' pretty likely you won't succeed. Signing a striker won't guarantee anything, but not signing one, a striker we've needed for 4 years now pretty much guarantees we won't be competing for the top prizes.

And even if we spend £150m this summer, Barca, Real, and Bayern remain favorites in the CL over Arsenal.

Therefore, for the Board and Wenger, why should they be spending that extra £60-80m when top-4 is easily attainable without such a spending spree AND when spending that sum doesn't guarantee a league title?

All the inductive reasoning we use is decaying the ideals of football in our club. But, hey - Wenger and the board appear to be logical than emotional, which is why I believe Arsenal appear like a dead club these days. There's no passion


In 2006 both Arsenal and Barca got to the CL final, one club progressed, developed and grew the other went backwards, it's all about choices and our choice isn't football it's finances, to say we couldn't compte with Barca, Real and Bayern is rubbish to be honest, Chelsea and Man U and Inter have won the CL, but they at least invested in their team, if everyone thought like that noone would bother because there's no point since only those teams can win, this is a real losers mentality to think like this and it runs throughout the club.
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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby Arsene Nose » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:45 pm

Angelito wrote:Arsenal's entire structure is based on maximizing profits with minimum investment. It's the unspoken truth. We look at players as assets. Tomorrow, if we're forced to sell our British players, the price would double up - even if they're not top class. That's why Wenger persists with them. It's all a game of perception and image management.

When they have their meetings, I'm sure Wenger informs that we lack in so and so areas and would ideally want to reinforce. Wenger has the final say on who and how much. Agents may call Wenger and declare that so and so is available. But a long as Wenger doesn't deem the player necessary, Gazidis and the board won't compel him to buy.

In board meetings, I'm assuming looking at the trend, the singular goal is always attaining CL football with minimum reinforcements. If and when the CL qualification is in doubt, we will even pay over the odds. Right now, Wenger is confident of securing a top-4 finish, which is why he doesn't want to add UNLESS a top player becomes available. He won't go an extra mile because this team, as it is, will secure forth place. At least, that's what Wenger believes.

Wenger and everyone at Arsenal knows that we need a CF. If Lewandowski is available, Wenger will pay the required fee to get him. What he won't do is get into a bidding war, or actively pursue a player with an open cheque.

It's a simple assumption on how we think. Wenger/Gazidis would look at this squad and suppose top-4 is attainable. Of course, Wenger realizes that 2 or 3 more additions (CF, CB, RW) would take us very to close to the title. But we're talking of an investment of £100-£120m here. And even if we go ahead and secure those signings, we're not guaranteed to win the League.

So, in all likelihood, we could invest £40m this summer and get a top-4 finish. If we spend £100m, we will automatically get a top-4 finish, but we still wouldn't be guaranteed of a league title, or a CL trophy. Hence, Arsenal's route is the middle path. We aim to remain in the fringes of Europe'a elite and will do whatever it takes to ensure that. We, however, won't take that extra ride to secure we tower over others because - the probability of Arsenal winning the League, with a world class striker and CB, still wouldn't exceed the probability of City or United winning the league.

And even if we spend £150m this summer, Barca, Real, and Bayern remain favorites in the CL over Arsenal.

Therefore, for the Board and Wenger, why should they be spending that extra £60-80m when top-4 is easily attainable without such a spending spree AND when spending that sum doesn't guarantee a league title?

All the inductive reasoning we use is decaying the ideals of football in our club. But, hey - Wenger and the board appear to be logical than emotional, which is why I believe Arsenal appear like a dead club these days. There's no passion.

So what's in it for Wenger? He doesnt own shares in Arsenal. How does maximizing profits benefit him?
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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby RowdyRoddyPoppins » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:48 pm

Arsene Nose wrote:
Angelito wrote:Arsenal's entire structure is based on maximizing profits with minimum investment. It's the unspoken truth. We look at players as assets. Tomorrow, if we're forced to sell our British players, the price would double up - even if they're not top class. That's why Wenger persists with them. It's all a game of perception and image management.

When they have their meetings, I'm sure Wenger informs that we lack in so and so areas and would ideally want to reinforce. Wenger has the final say on who and how much. Agents may call Wenger and declare that so and so is available. But a long as Wenger doesn't deem the player necessary, Gazidis and the board won't compel him to buy.

In board meetings, I'm assuming looking at the trend, the singular goal is always attaining CL football with minimum reinforcements. If and when the CL qualification is in doubt, we will even pay over the odds. Right now, Wenger is confident of securing a top-4 finish, which is why he doesn't want to add UNLESS a top player becomes available. He won't go an extra mile because this team, as it is, will secure forth place. At least, that's what Wenger believes.

Wenger and everyone at Arsenal knows that we need a CF. If Lewandowski is available, Wenger will pay the required fee to get him. What he won't do is get into a bidding war, or actively pursue a player with an open cheque.

It's a simple assumption on how we think. Wenger/Gazidis would look at this squad and suppose top-4 is attainable. Of course, Wenger realizes that 2 or 3 more additions (CF, CB, RW) would take us very to close to the title. But we're talking of an investment of £100-£120m here. And even if we go ahead and secure those signings, we're not guaranteed to win the League.

So, in all likelihood, we could invest £40m this summer and get a top-4 finish. If we spend £100m, we will automatically get a top-4 finish, but we still wouldn't be guaranteed of a league title, or a CL trophy. Hence, Arsenal's route is the middle path. We aim to remain in the fringes of Europe'a elite and will do whatever it takes to ensure that. We, however, won't take that extra ride to secure we tower over others because - the probability of Arsenal winning the League, with a world class striker and CB, still wouldn't exceed the probability of City or United winning the league.

And even if we spend £150m this summer, Barca, Real, and Bayern remain favorites in the CL over Arsenal.

Therefore, for the Board and Wenger, why should they be spending that extra £60-80m when top-4 is easily attainable without such a spending spree AND when spending that sum doesn't guarantee a league title?

All the inductive reasoning we use is decaying the ideals of football in our club. But, hey - Wenger and the board appear to be logical than emotional, which is why I believe Arsenal appear like a dead club these days. There's no passion.

So what's in it for Wenger? He doesnt own shares in Arsenal. How does maximizing profits benefit him?




The £8mill a year might have something to do with it. Little spend - big profit - keep this guy in charge - offer big contract!
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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby Arsene Nose » Wed Aug 24, 2016 1:54 pm

RowdyRoddyPoppins wrote:
Arsene Nose wrote:
Angelito wrote:Arsenal's entire structure is based on maximizing profits with minimum investment. It's the unspoken truth. We look at players as assets. Tomorrow, if we're forced to sell our British players, the price would double up - even if they're not top class. That's why Wenger persists with them. It's all a game of perception and image management.

When they have their meetings, I'm sure Wenger informs that we lack in so and so areas and would ideally want to reinforce. Wenger has the final say on who and how much. Agents may call Wenger and declare that so and so is available. But a long as Wenger doesn't deem the player necessary, Gazidis and the board won't compel him to buy.

In board meetings, I'm assuming looking at the trend, the singular goal is always attaining CL football with minimum reinforcements. If and when the CL qualification is in doubt, we will even pay over the odds. Right now, Wenger is confident of securing a top-4 finish, which is why he doesn't want to add UNLESS a top player becomes available. He won't go an extra mile because this team, as it is, will secure forth place. At least, that's what Wenger believes.

Wenger and everyone at Arsenal knows that we need a CF. If Lewandowski is available, Wenger will pay the required fee to get him. What he won't do is get into a bidding war, or actively pursue a player with an open cheque.

It's a simple assumption on how we think. Wenger/Gazidis would look at this squad and suppose top-4 is attainable. Of course, Wenger realizes that 2 or 3 more additions (CF, CB, RW) would take us very to close to the title. But we're talking of an investment of £100-£120m here. And even if we go ahead and secure those signings, we're not guaranteed to win the League.

So, in all likelihood, we could invest £40m this summer and get a top-4 finish. If we spend £100m, we will automatically get a top-4 finish, but we still wouldn't be guaranteed of a league title, or a CL trophy. Hence, Arsenal's route is the middle path. We aim to remain in the fringes of Europe'a elite and will do whatever it takes to ensure that. We, however, won't take that extra ride to secure we tower over others because - the probability of Arsenal winning the League, with a world class striker and CB, still wouldn't exceed the probability of City or United winning the league.

And even if we spend £150m this summer, Barca, Real, and Bayern remain favorites in the CL over Arsenal.

Therefore, for the Board and Wenger, why should they be spending that extra £60-80m when top-4 is easily attainable without such a spending spree AND when spending that sum doesn't guarantee a league title?

All the inductive reasoning we use is decaying the ideals of football in our club. But, hey - Wenger and the board appear to be logical than emotional, which is why I believe Arsenal appear like a dead club these days. There's no passion.

So what's in it for Wenger? He doesnt own shares in Arsenal. How does maximizing profits benefit him?




The £8mill a year might have something to do with it. Little spend - big profit - keep this guy in charge - offer big contract!

Really? Do you honestly believe that Wenger's decisions are driven by protecting his 8 mil a year? I question that for the following reasons:
- If he gets 8 mil a year winning nothing, he'd easily get 8 mil a year by adding a league title to his accomplishments
- He could take another job with another club for that kind of money. Despite what you may think about him he remains a highly respected figure in world football. He could get the job at PSG and even Real Madrid. After all Real hired Benitez who since then has been managing Newcastle in the Championship. He could also make out big time in China or the Middle East
- He could land the France or England jobs rather easily at his asking price. Almost ten years ago the FA paid Capello 4 mil a year. They'd match Wenger's 8 mil

He deserves a lot of the criticism he gets but to paint him as some villain who's interested in simply making money for himself seems wrong. In actuality, it that his principles do not belong in this era.
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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby Cripps » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:01 pm

Lol wouldn't last 6 months at Real
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Postby Marsbar100 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:06 pm

He has total control at arsenal, that's what he loves.
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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby Arsene Nose » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:12 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:He has total control at arsenal, that's what he loves.

That's very true.
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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby CrimsonGunner11 » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:24 pm

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Angelito wrote:Arsenal's entire structure is based on maximizing profits with minimum investment. It's the unspoken truth. We look at players as assets. Tomorrow, if we're forced to sell our British players, the price would double up - even if they're not top class. That's why Wenger persists with them. It's all a game of perception and image management.

When they have their meetings, I'm sure Wenger informs that we lack in so and so areas and would ideally want to reinforce. Wenger has the final say on who and how much. Agents may call Wenger and declare that so and so is available. But a long as Wenger doesn't deem the player necessary, Gazidis and the board won't compel him to buy.

In board meetings, I'm assuming looking at the trend, the singular goal is always attaining CL football with minimum reinforcements. If and when the CL qualification is in doubt, we will even pay over the odds. Right now, Wenger is confident of securing a top-4 finish, which is why he doesn't want to add UNLESS a top player becomes available. He won't go an extra mile because this team, as it is, will secure forth place. At least, that's what Wenger believes.

Wenger and everyone at Arsenal knows that we need a CF. If Lewandowski is available, Wenger will pay the required fee to get him. What he won't do is get into a bidding war, or actively pursue a player with an open cheque.

It's a simple assumption on how we think. Wenger/Gazidis would look at this squad and suppose top-4 is attainable. Of course, Wenger realizes that 2 or 3 more additions (CF, CB, RW) would take us very to close to the title. But we're talking of an investment of £100-£120m here. And even if we go ahead and secure those signings, we're not guaranteed to win the League.

So, in all likelihood, we could invest £40m this summer and get a top-4 finish. If we spend £100m, we will automatically get a top-4 finish, but we still wouldn't be guaranteed of a league title, or a CL trophy. Hence, Arsenal's route is the middle path. We aim to remain in the fringes of Europe'a elite and will do whatever it takes to ensure that. We, however, won't take that extra ride to secure we tower over others because - the probability of Arsenal winning the League, with a world class striker and CB, still wouldn't exceed the probability of City or United winning the league.

And even if we spend £150m this summer, Barca, Real, and Bayern remain favorites in the CL over Arsenal.

Therefore, for the Board and Wenger, why should they be spending that extra £60-80m when top-4 is easily attainable without such a spending spree AND when spending that sum doesn't guarantee a league title?

All the inductive reasoning we use is decaying the ideals of football in our club. But, hey - Wenger and the board appear to be logical than emotional, which is why I believe Arsenal appear like a dead club these days. There's no passion.

So what's in it for Wenger? He doesnt own shares in Arsenal. How does maximizing profits benefit him?




The £8mill a year might have something to do with it. Little spend - big profit - keep this guy in charge - offer big contract!

Really? Do you honestly believe that Wenger's decisions are driven by protecting his 8 mil a year? I question that for the following reasons:
- If he gets 8 mil a year winning nothing, he'd easily get 8 mil a year by adding a league title to his accomplishments
- He could take another job with another club for that kind of money. Despite what you may think about him he remains a highly respected figure in world football. He could get the job at PSG and even Real Madrid. After all Real hired Benitez who since then has been managing Newcastle in the Championship. He could also make out big time in China or the Middle East
- He could land the France or England jobs rather easily at his asking price. Almost ten years ago the FA paid Capello 4 mil a year. They'd match Wenger's 8 mil

He deserves a lot of the criticism he gets but to paint him as some villain who's interested in simply making money for himself seems wrong. In actuality, it that his principles do not belong in this era.


My two cents

Point 1: Too risky. Wenger looks the type that prefers to spend less and win or not win than spend big and win or not win
Point 2: Too much pressure to win things. Wenger looks the type that prefers stability over volatility
Point 3: Too monotonous. Wenger looks the type that sees National team management as a retirement job
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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby Salibatelli » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:29 pm

Cripps wrote:Lol wouldn't last 6 months at Real


He knew that too, that's why he never took a job like that, fear.
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Re: Antoine Griezmann

Postby Salibatelli » Wed Aug 24, 2016 2:30 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:He has total control at arsenal, that's what he loves.


Very true, also he has absolutely no chance of getting 8 million elsewhere, he's one of the highest paid managers despite not winning.
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