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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Power n Glory » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:29 pm

NovaGB wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Ach wrote:Love how his actual goal stat is barely used


Because it's a terrible deal if you look at it that way. When we signed Laca for £45m, he was coming off a 37-goal season for Lyon. Just a couple of years ago, City also sold Leroy Sane for that amount, and he was a far better player.

Jesus is in a team that regularly scores 100 league goals, and he's their least impactful player by some distance.

That's why the club PR is going overboard with the 'hard worker' -- 'Brazil NT' -- 'ideal player for Arteta's no-nonsense style' angle.


How often has Jesus played up top though? its pretty rare tbh.


In total, he's played 211 games as CF at club level and country. He has 95 goals. It's not a bad record at all. We have far worse options in the team and not many options in the transfer market.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:30 pm

NovaGB wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Ach wrote:Love how his actual goal stat is barely used


Because it's a terrible deal if you look at it that way. When we signed Laca for £45m, he was coming off a 37-goal season for Lyon. Just a couple of years ago, City also sold Leroy Sane for that amount, and he was a far better player.

Jesus is in a team that regularly scores 100 league goals, and he's their least impactful player by some distance.

That's why the club PR is going overboard with the 'hard worker' -- 'Brazil NT' -- 'ideal player for Arteta's no-nonsense style' angle.


How often has Jesus played up top though? its pretty rare tbh.


We don't know where GJ will be positioned when he plays here. Even if he wasn't playing centrally at City, so what? Sterling, Mahrez, Sane all played wide and bang in plenty.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Ach » Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:56 pm

What's his injury record like?

I guess it doesn't matter seeing as partey barely got injured in Spain and look at him now as soon as the Arsenal physios get their hands on him, he's soft
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby NovaGB » Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:45 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
NovaGB wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Ach wrote:Love how his actual goal stat is barely used


Because it's a terrible deal if you look at it that way. When we signed Laca for £45m, he was coming off a 37-goal season for Lyon. Just a couple of years ago, City also sold Leroy Sane for that amount, and he was a far better player.

Jesus is in a team that regularly scores 100 league goals, and he's their least impactful player by some distance.

That's why the club PR is going overboard with the 'hard worker' -- 'Brazil NT' -- 'ideal player for Arteta's no-nonsense style' angle.


How often has Jesus played up top though? its pretty rare tbh.


We don't know where GJ will be positioned when he plays here. Even if he wasn't playing centrally at City, so what? Sterling, Mahrez, Sane all played wide and bang in plenty.


because if you take that games to goal average and realise hes playing like 10-15 mins a game then you see the bigger picture.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:30 pm

NovaGB wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
NovaGB wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Ach wrote:Love how his actual goal stat is barely used


Because it's a terrible deal if you look at it that way. When we signed Laca for £45m, he was coming off a 37-goal season for Lyon. Just a couple of years ago, City also sold Leroy Sane for that amount, and he was a far better player.

Jesus is in a team that regularly scores 100 league goals, and he's their least impactful player by some distance.

That's why the club PR is going overboard with the 'hard worker' -- 'Brazil NT' -- 'ideal player for Arteta's no-nonsense style' angle.


How often has Jesus played up top though? its pretty rare tbh.


We don't know where GJ will be positioned when he plays here. Even if he wasn't playing centrally at City, so what? Sterling, Mahrez, Sane all played wide and bang in plenty.


because if you take that games to goal average and realise hes playing like 10-15 mins a game then you see the bigger picture.


He started 21/28 games last season, playing to ~90 mins for the majority of them. You can check the numbers on Transfermarket.

Even if you're looking at 10-15 min cameos, its not like City ever takes their foot off the gas. They keep pressing right until the final whistle, and score late goals that way. Somebody is getting on the end of them.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby NovaGB » Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:38 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
NovaGB wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
NovaGB wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Ach wrote:Love how his actual goal stat is barely used


Because it's a terrible deal if you look at it that way. When we signed Laca for £45m, he was coming off a 37-goal season for Lyon. Just a couple of years ago, City also sold Leroy Sane for that amount, and he was a far better player.

Jesus is in a team that regularly scores 100 league goals, and he's their least impactful player by some distance.

That's why the club PR is going overboard with the 'hard worker' -- 'Brazil NT' -- 'ideal player for Arteta's no-nonsense style' angle.


How often has Jesus played up top though? its pretty rare tbh.


We don't know where GJ will be positioned when he plays here. Even if he wasn't playing centrally at City, so what? Sterling, Mahrez, Sane all played wide and bang in plenty.


because if you take that games to goal average and realise hes playing like 10-15 mins a game then you see the bigger picture.


He started 21/28 games last season, playing to ~90 mins for the majority of them. You can check the numbers on Transfermarket.

Even if you're looking at 10-15 min cameos, its not like City ever takes their foot off the gas. They keep pressing right until the final whistle, and score late goals that way. Somebody is getting on the end of them.


21 games out of a possible 28? pretty sure City played about 50+ games last season.

So you think hes shit then?
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby UFGN » Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:37 pm

Still not announced this f***ing player

What the hell is wrong with this club? Always the same with this dragging out signings for no reason other than to milk it like some amateurish outfit who signed a big name

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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:54 pm

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He started 21/28 games last season, playing to ~90 mins for the majority of them. You can check the numbers on Transfermarket.

Even if you're looking at 10-15 min cameos, its not like City ever takes their foot off the gas. They keep pressing right until the final whistle, and score late goals that way. Somebody is getting on the end of them.


21 games out of a possible 28? pretty sure City played about 50+ games last season.

So you think hes shit then?


That's fair, I didn't include his CL games, where he did pretty well, goals against PSG and Real I think.

He'll be a big upgrade on Nketiah, which is badly needed. But ultimately I don't think he's going to make the kind of difference we need him to make. He doesn't have the profile of the type that could score a lot of goals in an Arteta setup, which is a 6'5 Ibrahimovic style monster in the box. I think all the slicing and dicing of his Man City stats in this thread indicates that people kinda already expect this subconsciously.

We all understand that we need many more goals to compete for Top 4/EL trophy. We need a guaranteed goalscorer and I can't rate him at more than 12-14 league goals. We'll see. If he scores a bunch in EL and helps win the trophy, that would be a pretty good ROI.

If he flops, we'll be stuck with him till he's Laca's age.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Jase89 » Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:58 pm

Its gotten to the point now that when they do eventually announce him, we will all be saying “yeh ok thanks, who’s next?”
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby UFGN » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:00 pm

Jase89 wrote:Its gotten to the point now that when they do eventually announce him, we will all be saying “yeh ok thanks, who’s next?”


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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:38 pm

UFGN wrote:
Jase89 wrote:Its gotten to the point now that when they do eventually announce him, we will all be saying “yeh ok thanks, who’s next?”


I was there three days ago


Me too, I'm already thinking of who else we need next.

Its because AFC have to make a fkin media circus over signing a player like its something magical, over compensating as per usual.

I'm already, "great we signed a decent player, now after what we're seeing in the window that player is going to need some help, go get him it."
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Santi » Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:52 pm

UFGN wrote:Still not announced this f***ing player

What the hell is wrong with this club? Always the same with this dragging out signings for no reason other than to milk it like some amateurish outfit who signed a big name

It's not a good trait


Why do they need to announce it? We all know he's signed, there's clips of him in an Arsenal shirt doing photos at the Emirates lol

People stress over nothing in the window.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Reiss » Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:59 am

Salibatelli wrote:
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Salibatelli wrote:I’ve not seen any public statements from him that he wants to play as the main striker, only comments from someone who spoke the the Brazil manager who had asked Jesus where he really wanted to play, to which he answered on the wing.

Usually players who score a lot of goals just want to be playing in the best place to score goals and have that streak which makes them want to score goals at all costs, Jesus doesn’t appear to have this which makes me think that although he’ll score goals he probably won’t be prolific.

But yes you’d expect the plan is for him to play as our main striker, but we’ll have to see how that works out as he has admitted he’s better as a winger.


Seeing as he's the second most prolific striker in PL history, plus he scores 1 goal in every 2 games when he starts, there's a good chance he will be.


I think we’ve already debunked that myth.

Non penalty goals + assists isn’t a measure of how prolific a player is in front of goal.

I think it’s the first time that state has ever been handed about to try and show someone is a prolific scorer.

Moreover if he was prolific Guardiola wouldn’t have been looking for a forward since last summer, he would have instead entrusted Jesus like he did Aguero before him.

Moreover people wouldn’t have been saying City badly need a striker to put their chances away last season.


You're trying to debunk it because it doesn't suit your agenda.

And if you choose to ignore that stat, when he starts, he gets 1 in 2 (a goal every 152 mins) which is prolific :dontknow:


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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Reiss » Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:01 am

Santi wrote:
UFGN wrote:Still not announced this f***ing player

What the hell is wrong with this club? Always the same with this dragging out signings for no reason other than to milk it like some amateurish outfit who signed a big name

It's not a good trait


Why do they need to announce it? We all know he's signed, there's clips of him in an Arsenal shirt doing photos at the Emirates lol

People stress over nothing in the window.


Yeah people just want to moan about any old thing.

The deal is in place, he's been pictured doing his welcome video, but let's rant because it wasn't announced on Thursday before 3pm :dontknow:
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby EliteKiller » Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:26 am

Reiss wrote:And if you choose to ignore that stat, when he starts, he gets 1 in 2 (a goal every 152 mins) which is prolific :dontknow:

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Why not use his EPL stats and see what they say? after all were buying him to play in the EPL (as we're not in the CL)

Look at the numbers - English Premier League Played 159 Started 99 Sub on 60 Sub off 42

Now add some context - Jesus has been taken off in 42 of the games he started, he's also been brought on as a sub 60 times - so in the 159 games he's appeared for Man City he has only managed to complete the full 90 minutes in 57, barely 1 in 3. Now if they were all bit part substitutions coming on that would be understandable, but he's been taken off almost as many times - is that form? fitness? discipline? I've no idea but there was clearly an issue ... why do you think that was?

For a player who has repeatedly failed to manage 90 minutes playing a fairly limited number of games, is it reasonable for us to expect him to play 90 minutes as "the main man" twice a week? Are we possibly buying another weak player? Just why was nobody else that interested? again what do you think?

"Prolific" when playing less than 45 minutes a week - does not necessarily mean "prolific" playing 180 minutes a week - see our injury list for confirmation.
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