Gabriel Jesus

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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby UFGN » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:00 am

DiamondGooner wrote:
Alexis wrote:apparently on holiday and doesn't want to cut it short (1 week left). has already given his word that he'll join us.


Yes I wouldn't be surprised.

We've basically over paid particularly in wages which is making the player demand City sell him to Arsenal, City can't just sell him to wherever they want without the players consent so we've basically won the battle with the reported £220k pw wage.

Something he won't get anywhere else by a long shot.


Which as anyone whoes ever played FM knows, makes him unsellable once he signs so he'd better be worth it
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby elkanofan » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:30 am

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elkanofan wrote:Gabi Jesus is at least a level above the Arsenal sort of peak Welbeck.
I dont rate him very highly but hes the best attacker we can get and i would welcome this signing. He could be a Wiltord like player for us.

I accept hes not going to be that special brazilian number 9, but hes more than good enough to score lots of goals and do a job for us. He's better than that shadow version of Laca we saw last season for sure and easily better than Eddie.


fuk me how far the standards have fallen. From titi and van judas to fukin wele as the recent benchmarks.

It's not exclusively an Arsenal problem, though.

The lack of prolific, true world-class talent in the CF position is omnipresent in world football. The days when you had 3-4 world-class, prolific CFs in each league are long gone. These days, players like Darwin and Osimhen—who currently aren't anywhere near that tier—cost £80m and £95m, respectively. Teams from foreign leagues are experiencing financial difficulties and know Premier League clubs are loaded—hence the insane asking prices.

Again, Jesus could easily flop as CF. But who else of note is available for £40m-£45m? It's slim pickings.
Yes. It's why 6 months ago i made another 'football is going downhill' thread which has evolved into 'football is in the dark ages'.

We have so many of these 'in the hole' all round tidy attackers but no real street smart strikers. This is due to a number of factors however how the game will look in 2025 when Benzema, Lewandowski, CR7 have finally retired will be intreaging since globally the game shows so few real candidates to reach these levels even, let alone the 90s and early 00s.

Nunez and Oshimien are young and have time to develop but your so correct in seeing neither show anything truly special or have the talent to reach the other 3 players i mentioned, but in terms of young strikers bar Haaland & Mbappe this is literally it for top young strikers around the world, hell even just look at how few great world class strikers there are under the age of 27 in general. The game itself has a striker problem, a problem growing worse and worse by each season as thr game grows further entrenched into promotion for billionaires over its grassroots game of the people nature.

This is why i really don"t mind Gabi Jesus because he may clearly not be all that but hes still one of the top 20 strikers in the game because this is all we have. The modern game dont make them like they used to.


It really is in the dark ages. Agree with Zenith as well. The striker situation and standard is low worldwide. The goals just aren't coming from that position anymore. A Henry or RVP is like finding a unicorn. Any striker that manages to score 15-20 goal in one season has a sky high valuation even if their of a similar quality to Darren Bent or Andy Caroll.
Yes. Case in point Darwin Nunez.

Evem 10 years ago at his age you would be hard pressed to find any team paying more than $5-$10 million for him even with all the goals he scored. He's similar to Haaland really. Big striker, quick, works hard, good eye for goal. Thats about it. Incapable of scoring goals on his own out of nothing like Mbappe, Benz, Lewandowski or CR7 but gets the job done.

World Class strikers of the past made their craft on the streets and simply fine tuned it late on in an academy or what should happen is work their way up from non league as a teenager, learn to deal with bruiser defenders the hard way, become a man then peak in their mid to late 20s or early 30s. Modern strikers via this cotton whool academies don't learn how to fight defenders playing with their backs towards goal, not to mention they all delude themselves into think they are the next CR7 and settle for mediocity once reality sets in 5 years later in a bag average 4-5 tier side.


Yep. It starts early. Maybe it's an age thing but most players today just aren't a joy to watch. The elegance and flair we used to see from individual players seems to have gone. The most charismatic thing about football today are the managers.
Yes. Theres a lack of true artists and specialists anymore, instead we get these all round athletes, wrapped in cotton whool by academies who all want to be either CR7 or Messi rather than just make their own game.

Players like Ricardo Quaresma may not have been the very best but he is/was unique. Played the game like no other, a true artist. Players like him, Zidane they made guys like me fall in love with the game. Kids nowadays would rather play fortnite or become a youtube influencer than a footballer. Games are full of mistakes and accident goals from athletes rather than spontaneous or consistent magic and freedom.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Rockape » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:22 pm

Isn't natural flair just being coached out of players these days? Its just pass and pass and pass, with all the movement down without the ball.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby alexafc12 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:35 pm

There is so much emphasis on ball retention that players don't have the freedom to dribble and try skill as much as before.

Hence we see so many wingers opt to play the ball backwards and sideways rather than taking on their man.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Rockape » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:37 pm

Saka being one of the few that doesn't keep passing but actually takes people on.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Salibatelli » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:43 pm

I miss the days when players had that natural flair and would beat several players at a time and dribble past players.

It way too robotic and coached these days, where are all the forwards that score goals gone? I remember the days when Brazilian strikers were the envy of every club and you knew that if you signed a Brazilian he was really special.

There’s so few goalscorers around we’re now having to settle for someone who isn’t that great at scoring goals as our main striker with our team only backup being a guy who hasn’t shown himself to be good enough.

Really we should have at least 3 strikers.

I can remember when we nearly signed Juninho, it was so exciting, now we sign Brazilian but none of them really bring that excitement.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:58 pm

Rockape wrote:Isn't natural flair just being coached out of players these days? Its just pass and pass and pass, with all the movement down without the ball.


Vinicius Jr is a good example of proper coaching. He had the speed and dribbling ability but his finishing was awful. Now he's added goals to his game without sacrificing his ability to dribble past players. He didn't turn into a robot.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Salibatelli » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:17 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Rockape wrote:Isn't natural flair just being coached out of players these days? Its just pass and pass and pass, with all the movement down without the ball.


Vinicius Jr is a good example of proper coaching. He had the speed and dribbling ability but his finishing was awful. Now he's added goals to his game without sacrificing his ability to dribble past players. He didn't turn into a robot.


Yes very true, he’s still kept that natural flair to his game and it’s much better to watch.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Power n Glory » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:22 pm

alexafc12 wrote:There is so much emphasis on ball retention that players don't have the freedom to dribble and try skill as much as before.

Hence we see so many wingers opt to play the ball backwards and sideways rather than taking on their man.


That's what it is. Fans have also grown accustomed to it as well. The shock horror if a pass is misplaced or dribble take on is unsuccessful.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby 22-0 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:36 pm

I dont mind that but if that leads to giving away a goal its obviously an issue.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:37 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:There is so much emphasis on ball retention that players don't have the freedom to dribble and try skill as much as before.

Hence we see so many wingers opt to play the ball backwards and sideways rather than taking on their man.


That's what it is. Fans have also grown accustomed to it as well. The shock horror if a pass is misplaced or dribble take on is unsuccessful.


Correlates nciely with our modern obsession with stats that are meaningless in isolation, like pass completion %. If your 5yd passes are being intercepted that much, you shouldn't be playing professional football.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby elkanofan » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:27 pm

Rockape wrote:Isn't natural flair just being coached out of players these days? Its just pass and pass and pass, with all the movement down without the ball.
Definatley. Look at Vinicious Junior before Real Madrid as a Brazil youth player to now. He's a much better player but he barely does tricks anymore.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby elkanofan » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:30 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:There is so much emphasis on ball retention that players don't have the freedom to dribble and try skill as much as before.

Hence we see so many wingers opt to play the ball backwards and sideways rather than taking on their man.


That's what it is. Fans have also grown accustomed to it as well. The shock horror if a pass is misplaced or dribble take on is unsuccessful.


Correlates nciely with our modern obsession with stats that are meaningless in isolation, like pass completion %. If your 5yd passes are being intercepted that much, you shouldn't be playing professional football.
Much of this obseesion with stats is these companies who provide them trying to justify their technology.

Look at xg. The most useless stat of all time thrown around by people who lack the attention span to watch a full game properly to understand a team or player.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Santi » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:16 pm

Looks like this is done, 45m.
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Re: Gabriel Jesus

Postby Jedi » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:21 pm

Yeah, Ornstein confirmed


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