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Champions League Post-2024

Postby Arsenal Tone » Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:37 am

With all the super league crap I missed this, sorry if there is already a thread:

New format for Champions League post-2024: everything you need to know https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleagu ... _content=_

How will the 2024/25 competition change?

The pivotal change in the reforms announced by the UEFA Executive Committee after its meeting on 19 April 2021 is the departure from the current format’s opening 32-team group stage. The present Champions League season begins with participants divided into eight groups of four. From the 2024/25 season, there will be a single league made up of all 36 competing clubs. This will give four more sides the opportunity to compete against the best clubs in Europe.

Under the new format, teams will play four matches more than is currently the case. They will no longer play three opponents twice – home and away – but will instead face fixtures against 10 different teams, half of them at home and half of them away. This gives the opportunity for clubs to test themselves against a wider range of opponents – and also raises the prospect of fans seeing the top teams go head to head more often earlier in the competition. The new format should mean that there is more to play for right up until the final night of league action.

How will the four additional spots be allocated?

Qualification for the Champions League will continue to be open and depend on a club’s final position in the previous season’s domestic league competition. The additional four slots available in 2024/25 will be allocated according to three different criteria:

Slot one: awarded to a club from the country placed fifth in UEFA’s national association coefficient rankings. Each association's coefficient is based on the results of its clubs’ performances in five previous Champions League and Europa League seasons.

Slot two: awarded to the domestic league champion with the highest club coefficient among all other domestic champions that have not automatically qualified for the Champions League’s league stage.

Slots three and four: awarded to the two clubs with the highest club coefficients that have not qualified automatically for the Champions League’s league stage, but have qualified either for the Champions League qualification phase or the Europa League/the Europa Conference League (due to start in the 2021/22 season).

How will the last 16 take shape?

The results of each match will decide the overall ranking in the new league, with three points for a win and one for a draw still applying.

While the top eight teams will advance automatically to the round of 16, those sides placed between ninth and 24th will enter a play-off round. Those who finished between ninth and 16th will be seeded in the play-off draw, meaning they will face a team placed 17th to 24th – with home advantage in the second-leg match. Teams who finish 25th or lower will be eliminated, with no access to the UEFA Europa League.

The eight clubs who prevail in the play-offs will then progress to the round of 16 where they will each face one of the top-eight finishers.

Do the changes impact the knockout stages?

From the round of 16 onward, the competition will continue to follow its existing format of knockout rounds leading to the final staged at a neutral venue selected by UEFA.

What does the new Champions League format mean for fans?

More opportunities to see Europe’s top teams playing each other earlier in the competition.

Every game counts. The new league format will ensure that any result has the potential to dramatically change a team’s position, right up the very last matchday. Winning or losing could make the difference between a side automatically qualifying for the last 16, entering the play-offs or being eliminated from the competition.

Will UEFA's other club competitions adopt the same format?

Yes. In addition to the Champions League, both the Europa League and the all new Europa Conference League – due to kick off in the 2021/22 season – will also evolve to replace their group stage with a single league. The new format can be adapted as needed to each competition, both in terms of the number of teams and the number of matches.

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Re: Chamions League Post 2024

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:27 am

Don't get what they are trying to do.
10 matches being played each, in one group of 36 teams?
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Re: Chamions League Post 2024

Postby Arsenal Tone » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:32 am

It's the half home/half away bit I'm not keen on. How do they decide which teams uou play at home and which teams you play away?
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Re: Chamions League Post 2024

Postby Dejan » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:17 am

Im very confused on that post lol

I just hope they delete this dumb away goal rule in the knockout phases. I always despised it
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Re: Chamions League Post 2024

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:26 am

Tony Adams wrote:It's the half home/half away bit I'm not keen on. How do they decide which teams uou play at home and which teams you play away?


Luck of the draw.

In a way, I don't mind that too much. More like a cup as opposed to a league.
10 games is too many , though.

Again - all about money.
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Re: Chamions League Post 2024

Postby Paddy » Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:38 am

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Re: Chamions League Post 2024

Postby Phil71 » Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:46 am

Real Madrid have already said they can't wait until 2024 as they'll be bust by then.
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Re: Chamions League Post 2024

Postby Jedi » Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:17 pm

People can say this is also bad but It's not anything close to the Superleague.

Personally, I don't care that much about it.
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Re: Chamions League Post 2024

Postby Angelito » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:53 pm

Now that the super league fiasco is done and dusted, we have to talk about how appalling this new format is.

It's basically a less elitist version of the super league. Still better, as the super league had 5 extras to fill the quota, whereas the UCL will have a dozen or more. But it's been rigged to favor the elites again.

Under the new format, we'd have never fallen out of the UCL. Heck, this might have been the first season we failed to qualify. Top clubs like Arsenal and ManU would still get in even if they finished out of the top-4 as long as they finish in the top-7, or qualify for the EL or the Conference Cup, based on coefficients alone. So, we'd have qualified until last season.

Unless Real, Barca, PSG, Juve, Bayern, or Atleti fall out of the top-4/top-3, top-6 clubs from England will be in the UCL under the new format as long as the 5th and 6th placed sides are one of City, Arsenal, United, Chelsea, Liverpool, or Spurs.

If a club like Real Madrid exists in the SF of the UCL, but is relegated the following season, they'd still be able to qualify for the UCL based on the "good performance in the preceding UCL campaign," rule. Utter rubbish.

I can get behind England getting an extra berth via domestic or cup qualification—the 5th placed side or the FA Cup winning side—but protecting clubs in such an elitist manner is against the spirit of the game.



Tony Adams wrote:It's the half home/half away bit I'm not keen on. How do they decide which teams uou play at home and which teams you play away?


Under this "swiss model," teams will be drawn against each other but in a standard league-like format. There won't be a round-robin group stage.

So, say, Bayern are drawn against Arsenal, Napoli, Villarreal, Ostersunds, and Zenit. These clubs will play each other 10 times, home and away.

Likewise, Barca may draw Spurs, Lyon, Roma, Steaua, and Celtic. 10 games, home and away.

But it will all count in a cumulative league tally. So Bayern and Barca win x amount of games, and would be placed accordingly in the table.

The top-8 qualifies directly for the KO stages. Clubs placed 9 to 24 play an additional two-legged play-offs to face the top-8 sides in the Ro16.

I don't know about others. Sounds overly contrived and lousy to me. It's meant to protect the big clubs and minimize the chance of upsets.


Phil71 wrote:Real Madrid have already said they can't wait until 2024 as they'll be bust by then.


That's bull. They desperately want to buy Mbappe and Haaland. They're throwing a hissy fit because they don't have the money to buy their way again.

Perez is mad smart and ambitious. He basically fears a run similar to the post-Galactico era until Mourinho/Ancelotti where they started competing in the UCL again. They crashed out of the UCL in the Ro16 for 6 straight seasons until 10/11. In the Messi era, they've won 3 league titles compared to Barca's 8 league titles.

It's after La Decima that they've risen again and Perez wants to avoid this relative "lack of success" in the preceding seasons to La Decima/Jose's Centurions again.

If Real don't splash the cash again, they will be challenging for top-4, or they might miss that. Sure, they're in huge debt but they won't fold. They just don't want any of that nonsensical transitional period that peasant clubs go through.

People talk about Real's 7 European trophies before the UCL era, whilst conveniently ignoring that Barcelona refused to participate in the first 5 seasons of the European Cup. They won 5 in a row during that period.

It's amazing how these clubs think they have some God-given right to just win. And are willing to bend the rules to suit them.

The current format is fine. Sure, have provisions for some lesser clubs to get in, expand the quota of UCL qualification in England. Right now, a big club would have to fail collasally to miss UCL qualification or risk this "group stage" elimination.

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Re: Champions League Post-2024

Postby Hulkibulk » Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:25 am

Keep the format as it is now, but make it coefficient based on the first season of "New CL".

The 32 teams with the best results in the last 3 or 5 years should be drawn into 8 groups with 4 teams (No qualifiers).
This means that a maximum of eight teams from one country can participate in a season (do not think it will be a problem though)
1st and 2nd qualify for the finals 16, 3rd for the Europa League and 4th places can be drawn into 2 groups of 4 where 1st and 2nd in both groups will keep their place in the CL for next season, while 3rd and 4. must play Europa League IF they qualify for it through their domestic competition.

From "season 2" of the new CL, there will be 4 places to fight for in a qualifier.
This will make the big teams happy, because they have to do a terrible groupstage to lose their CL spot.
Still, it will be a way for everyone to qualify for the CL, even if it will be very difficult.
The new CL will also most likely include all the big teams in a "fair" way, which will generate more money for UEFA.
The quality of the group stage will also be more exciting and of higher quality.
Everyones happy.
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