by Marsbar100 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:16 pm
by Arsenal Tone » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:40 pm
by UFGN » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:44 pm
Tony_Adams wrote:Torreira and Xhaka are our best CM pairing since Gilberto and Vieira.
by Arsenal Tone » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:08 pm
Xhaka isn't a DM thoughUFGN wrote:Tony_Adams wrote:Torreira and Xhaka are our best CM pairing since Gilberto and Vieira.
Gwen Doozy is going to be a regular starter soon
He'll be a better attacking option when he's fully bedded in
Two DMs (oh yes they are) should only be used to defend a winning position against strong opposition
by Va-Va-Voom » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:14 pm
Tony_Adams wrote:Torreira and Xhaka are our best CM pairing since Gilberto and Vieira.
by Dynamite » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:57 am
by LMAO » Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:07 am
Angelito wrote:Arshavin was as good as van Persie and Cesc until 2011 but Wenger never could utilize him properly - and Wenger's inability to use a prototype Wenger player was one of the first signs that he was losing his touch.LMAO wrote:Angelito wrote:Alexis Sanchez is Arsenal's most impactful player of the Emirates era. He might not be as good as prime van Persie, but he gave his all for Arsenal and is the reason why we won our last two FA Cups.
I can't get on board with that, chief. Were you in a coma from August 2011-May 2012?
Put the RVP of December 2010-May 2012 in the 2014-17 teams instead of Sanchez, and we likely still win 2 FA Cups, but we also win the 2015-16 PL, advance past Monaco into the QFs, and never fall out of the top 4.
Sanchez did a lot for us during his time here, but RVP put Arsenal on his back during the 2011-12 season.
Except we didn't win anything that season. Individually, sure, it's the greatest season by a Gunner in the Prem era - Highbury days included. But van Persie never inspired us to win a trophy as Alexis did, especially in 16/17 when the man scored against both City and Chelsea in the SF and the Final to help us win the FA Cup.
I'm not talking about a hypothetical scenario where a prime van Persie would have won us the title in 15/16. Well, duh. Of course. Any striker who wouldn't go in the longest goal drought in the history of world football would most likely have helped us clinched the title that season, especially with Ozil on fire - challenging Henry's assists tally and creating the most chances by an individual player in a single season since these stats were recorded. Insane that Wenger persisted with Giroud, or didn't buy someone who could help lessen the goal scoring load the summer before or in Jan that season. Ozil was on fire that season.
van Persie in 11/12 was Godly. While Alexis was never that Godly, he helped us win tangible trophies - a feat van Persie had failed to do with far superior sides, Arsenal of 2007 until 2011. That lot - van Persie, Adebayor, Arshavin, Hleb, Flamini, Cesc, and Nasri - failed to win anything for Arsenal during that period. Can't even blame Wenger until 2010. Jesus Christ. Bottlers.
P.S. Wouldn't include Arshavin though. Man was criminally mis-utilized by Wenger. That brings me to.. Go back up!
by starmandb » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:54 pm
Marsbar100 wrote:Va-Va-Voom wrote:The Invincibles are overrated.
12 draws and bottled every other competition.
(They are legendary, I just don't think they are as great as some Gooners make them out to be)
Personally think our 2001/02 side was better, it was essentially the same except Pires and Ljungberg were at their absolute best, Bergkamp and Wiltord were more influential, and Adams and Keown could still put a shift in.
A stronger squad overall and a more balanced contribution rather than just Henry and Pires scoring all the goals.
It sounds a ridiculous statement but on the other hand if RVN places a penalty an inch lower they wouldn't really be remberered.
I think overrated is wrong though, we have to bare in mind they went 49 games unbeaten, of course any team would have to have a bit of luck to do that.
I simply think the squad was just a little bit small to last the distance accross all comps
by Ach » Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:57 pm
by Va-Va-Voom » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:12 am
Ach wrote:Wenger should've left at the end of the 03/04 season
That was as good as it was ever going to get for him.
by LMAO » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:05 am
by Pudpop » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:55 am
by Santi » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:46 am
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by Marsbar100 » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:33 pm