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Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby Angelito » Sat May 26, 2018 11:32 pm

The whole WWE-styled dramatic draws are not only that but fairly rigged. Why can't UEFA just follow the World Cup format à la winner of Group A faces runners-up of Group B and so on and so forth. If the said clubs come from the same country, you could skip a group—winner of group A vs runners-up Group C and vice-versa.

Now, this would ensure some exciting match-ups. But, it wouldn't stage the UCL for high-profile matches at the latter stages and it wouldn't always throw up repetitive fixtures.

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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby Losmeister » Sat May 26, 2018 11:35 pm

that and VAR
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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby Jedi » Sun May 27, 2018 12:52 am

No
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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby Ach » Sun May 27, 2018 12:52 am

Jedieurokrem wrote:No
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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby Marsbar100 » Sun May 27, 2018 12:56 am

Ach wrote:
Jedieurokrem wrote:No
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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby Angelito » Sun May 27, 2018 1:11 am

Jedieurokrem wrote:No


Why not?
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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby LMAO » Sun May 27, 2018 3:06 am

Scrap the group stage altogether tbh. Single elimination tournaments are the most exciting competition format.

•64 teams
•4 brackets of 16 teams each (1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15, 3 vs. 14, 4 vs. 13, 5 vs. 12, 6 vs. 11, 7, vs. 10, 8 vs. 9). Draws for initial bracket (i.e., which 1-seed will face which 16-seed, which 2-seed will face which 15-seed, and so on) will be random, but all matches after will be according to the bracket.
•2 legs each until the final, which will be a single game played at a neutral site.
•Scrap the away goals rule.
•No OT for non-final games if the aggregate is tied at the end of both legs. To ensure maximum chaos, the winner is decided by a best-of-5 coin flip. In the final, have the regular OT + penalties (if necessary).
•???
•Profit.
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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby Nuggets » Sun May 27, 2018 6:56 am

Losmeister wrote:that and VAR

I agree.
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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby Royal Gooner » Sun May 27, 2018 7:06 am

Scrap seedings before the group stage so there is more potential for smaller clubs to have the chance to proceed.
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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Sun May 27, 2018 7:27 am

Let clubs from the same country face each other from the off.
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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby Santi » Sun May 27, 2018 8:22 am

Marsbar100 wrote:
Ach wrote:
Jedieurokrem wrote:No


Agree, no issue with it how it is.

Maybe same countries can play each other in the groups but those matches are boring af anyway cos we see them in the PL. They're exciting in the later rounds like Pool v City was.
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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby Angelito » Mon May 28, 2018 2:11 am

You guys seriously fancy the draws?

Think for a while. Arsenal have drawn either Barca or Bayern in 6 of the past 8 seasons (until 16/17) - toppled by drawing BOTH Bayern and Barca in 15/16. The odds of that happening in an open draw is spectacular.

If UEFA uses the World Cup format - getting rid of the draws - or, only apply the draws for the Round of 16, then chances of such blatant rigging go down tremendously. It also opens up fresh match-ups.
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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby UFGN » Mon May 28, 2018 2:21 am

Angelito wrote:You guys seriously fancy the draws?

Think for a while. Arsenal have drawn either Barca or Bayern in 6 of the past 8 seasons (until 16/17) - toppled by drawing BOTH Bayern and Barca in 15/16. The odds of that happening in an open draw is spectacular.

If UEFA uses the World Cup format - getting rid of the draws - or, only apply the draws for the Round of 16, then chances of such blatant rigging go down tremendously. It also opens up fresh match-ups.


There is a simple solution

Use a lottery type machine operated by an independent contractor to do all the draws.

Cuts out any warm ball cold ball conspiracies

And if machines like the ones Camelot uses are trusted to draw numbers worth £100M, I think their integrity is pretty strong
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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby LMAO » Mon May 28, 2018 2:40 am

UFGN wrote:
Angelito wrote:You guys seriously fancy the draws?

Think for a while. Arsenal have drawn either Barca or Bayern in 6 of the past 8 seasons (until 16/17) - toppled by drawing BOTH Bayern and Barca in 15/16. The odds of that happening in an open draw is spectacular.

If UEFA uses the World Cup format - getting rid of the draws - or, only apply the draws for the Round of 16, then chances of such blatant rigging go down tremendously. It also opens up fresh match-ups.


There is a simple solution

Use a lottery type machine operated by an independent contractor to do all the draws.

Cuts out any warm ball cold ball conspiracies

And if machines like the ones Camelot uses are trusted to draw numbers worth £100M, I think their integrity is pretty strong


I could literally write a program in a couple minutes to 'randomize' the draw; it would take a little longer to code the rules (e.g., no club can face another club from the same country in the Ro16, no club can face the other club from their group in the Ro16, certain clubs can't play on the same day in the Ro16, etc.), but it's not something that would require a lot of man-hours.

UEFA needs to join the digital revolution and stop doing things the caveman way tbh
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Re: Does the CL need a change in how teams are drawn?

Postby UFGN » Mon May 28, 2018 2:55 am

LMAO wrote:
UFGN wrote:
Angelito wrote:You guys seriously fancy the draws?

Think for a while. Arsenal have drawn either Barca or Bayern in 6 of the past 8 seasons (until 16/17) - toppled by drawing BOTH Bayern and Barca in 15/16. The odds of that happening in an open draw is spectacular.

If UEFA uses the World Cup format - getting rid of the draws - or, only apply the draws for the Round of 16, then chances of such blatant rigging go down tremendously. It also opens up fresh match-ups.


There is a simple solution

Use a lottery type machine operated by an independent contractor to do all the draws.

Cuts out any warm ball cold ball conspiracies

And if machines like the ones Camelot uses are trusted to draw numbers worth £100M, I think their integrity is pretty strong


I could literally write a program in a couple minutes to 'randomize' the draw; it would take a little longer to code the rules (e.g., no club can face another club from the same country in the Ro16, no club can face the other club from their group in the Ro16, certain clubs can't play on the same day in the Ro16, etc.), but it's not something that would require a lot of man-hours.

UEFA needs to join the digital revolution and stop doing things the caveman way tbh


Yes and with those high security machines, with multiple back ups (Camelot use more than 10) it just about illuminates any shenanigans. The balls are also chosen at random with multiple sets available.
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