2017/18 UEFA Champions League

[SuperJackyWilshere]

Oh look. The tweet link doesn’t even work.

Surprise surprise. UEFA are so desperate.

https://twitter.com/footyaccums/status/ ... 16256?s=21

[Rockape]

Good luck to Liverpool

The only reason to hate on them is because of our own failures

They've done what we should have done years ago, got a manager who cares about results.

If it were Chelsea or City id be sick, but Liverpool I can live with

Agreed! no point in being bitter about it, they've dragged themselves up from near mid table mediocrity and play all out attacking football.....so they deserve to be applauded for that. Unfortunately I work with a Liverpool fan though!

[Ach]

Dear god. But but UEFA back Real.

Anyone who's seen the last 2 years ties v Bayern will see how desperate UEFA were for Bayern to win. And already claiming Liverpool as winners....

f**k them

[Angelito]

Maybe magic does hang over Real Madrid, the game’s greatest club dynasty

The defining image of this Real team isn’t a priestly boot room or the intellectualism of total football. The defining image of this team is Cristiano Ronaldo’s abs

Oh. He’s here again. The man with the rapacious desire for annihilating success in his eyes. In the end it was a strange kind of glory for Cristiano Ronaldo on Tuesday evening as Real Madrid progressed precariously but also, somehow, inevitably to another Champions League final.

There has been a lot of talk about Ronaldo’s stripped-down role in his late prime. But this was a performance of such minimalism it might have been etched on a grain of rice, a vision of the ultimate endgame some years from now whereby Ronaldo is wheeled on to the pitch by a litter of footmen, emerging from his bathing machine to patrol a roped-off zone around the penalty spot, sampling the air, occasionally dropping into a series of “muscle poses” while in the background a football match takes place.

This is, of course, a tribute not a criticism. Even within these narrowed lines Ronaldo runs and shoot and leaps more than anyone else, just as even on an off-night you still felt Madrid couldn’t have won without him, a player who walks ahead of this team like an imperial standard.

And so here we are. Real Madrid are one win away from four Champions Leagues in five years, a run of success that would make the late Ronaldo years the most dominant club-football era of the modern age.

There are a few things worth saying about this. The first is that while Madrid’s success is thrilling it is also essentially meaningless. This is a success that defies patterns and systems, escapes beyond any kind of workable formula others could adopt.

What is the moral of this story? What is the philosophy of this Madrid team? How should anyone else attempt to repeat it? Sign Ronaldo? Play in white shirts at the Bernabéu and imitate that conquering imperial-meringue demeanour?

At times it feels like a kind of pop-art triumphalism, no more than a perfect surface. The defining image of this team isn’t a priestly boot room or the earnest intellectualism of total football. The defining image of this team is Ronaldo’s abs.

In the middle of all this winning, Madrid have outlasted the teams around them who were supposed to define the age. Barcelona meant something: the club of nurture and Cruyff-ian collectivism. The Bayern Munich of 2013 meant something, fruits of that vast German production project, a social experiment that could be studied and admiringly replicated.

And yet it is Madrid whose name blocks out the top line in the history books, a Madrid that even escapes the galactico mould of bought success, the spine made up of a £10m goalkeeper, some shrewd defensive gambles and a pair of sublime central midfielders signed on the cheap.

Again, this is not an attempt to criticise, but a comment on the basic idea of meaning in sport, that craving we have for narrative. A couple of weeks ago I found myself engaged in a heated outburst on this subject during a Guardian Football Weekly podcast with my much-cherished colleague Barry Glendenning.

Barry was talking about Tottenham’s losing run in semi-finals. In the course of which I found myself disturbed by the suggestion this is some kind of hex, a shared fear, something passed down through the generations like – I suggested – a witch’s curse.

People who listened to the podcast were upset by this heated discussion. It rumbled on over social media. The following day some passers-by spotted Barry in a pub and chanted “witch’s curse” at him, behaviour I cannot possibly condone unless people really want to do it, and which is not funny or proof that I was right.

I see now what had unsettled me was the suggestion of a lack of order, the idea this can be explained away because some teams win and some lose. I wanted science. Instead I got people tweeting “witch’s curse” at me the whole time and always out of context. Witch’s curse has become my Lineker’s shat-on.

Even worse, this week has been spent writing about precisely this subject, the fact some teams do just seem to win. That the inverse of the witch’s curse, a shared regal magic, seems to hang over the greatest club dynasty in football. All of which is obviously not funny or even the slightest proof that Barry is right.

At which point we just keep coming back to Ronaldo and the idea of the compelling personality. Madrid win because of graft and talent. But to win to this degree suggests something more, a strange kind of chemistry between Madrid’s victory-as-destiny aura and Ronaldo’s own overwhelming will to power.

In game mode he can even seem a little inhuman, a being created from nylon and liquid metal. Ronaldo’s breath smells of presidential motorcade. His hair is made of gold-leaf weave. When he sweats he sweats a blend of antique cologne, chinchilla tears and human hope. It is an extraordinary human construct, a galvanising force of image and will that has driven his team on to a kind of ultimacy.

Some will recoil at the idea of Total Ego-Ball, the perceived selfishness of a player whose only real goal is to make his team win. But it is also oddly reassuring that the idea of the winning personality should remain intact though football’s rising tides of finance and nation-state ambition, a triumph of meaningless, exhilarating human will.

[SuperJackyWilshere]

No words from me.

Ach?

[Angelito]

Real to get three pens to commemorate their trifecta.

[Ach]

Liverpool have their 12th, 13th and 14th men named.

[LegendaryKeown]

A man with a trashcan for a heart will probably send off Salah. Hopefully Klopp still wins and shows the world the power of English football.

[Ach]

Trash can for a heart?

What

[Losmeister]

Real to get three pens to commemorate their trifecta.

the reffing is simplyh broken, incompetent.

when THIS sends you to a UCL final, you know it's phukked.

[Ach]

I don't even know when that happened

[LMAO]

Ronaldo and Carvajal are back.

RIP Liverpool

[Sims]

what happened with carvajal's heart problem??? didnt hear anything about it when he came back

[Ach]

Will miss the first half

If Liverpool lead comfortably then I'll miss it all.

[LegendaryKeown]

Real Madrid fan missing the biggest game of the season