Angelito wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Angelito wrote:Marsbar100 wrote:Cesc has more assists than ozil from 14 onwards in the pl, put into perspective he was in a defensive team under maureen, he played deeper than ozil with less flexibility m
If you take ozils great half a season out he was as getting out assisted and scored by Ramsey and Cazorla times.
Ozil has a total of 60 assists and 36 goals since 14/15.
Cesc had a total of 59 assists and 22 goals.
Using your logic, Ozil played for an inferior side, under inferior managers. Do you want me to bring Ozil's assist record when they were at Spain or for their national teams on the table too?
Regardless, this isn't a Ozil vs Cesc issue. I was afraid it would turn into one once the argument commenced.
This also pretty much counters Power's argument.
That said, the original argument was about Cesc being done by his late 20s. I haven't seen a point against that argument yet. I don't think anyone can deny that. It's fine to appreciate the man. But he was pretty much on his last legs by 2015; by 2016 at the latest.
Much ado about nothing.
I've answered this but you've either missed or ignored it.He didn't play a significant role in Conte's side. He played a mere ~ 1400 minutes.It still doesn't address the fact that he was still capable of scoring and assisting. It's not easy to ignore the numbers and it definitely kills any argument of him not contributing to that second title win. He finished the season with the most assists in the league for Chelsea so it's pretty silly to downplay his contribution.
Cesc was 29 when he lead Chelsea in assists the last time Chelsea won a title. That's more assists than Sanchez and Ozil that same year.
Cesc was 26 when 14/15 started. That was his final season as a top performer.
In Conte's first season, where he played less than 1,400 mins, Cesc was 28.
In the same season, Ozil scored and created 17 goals in the Prem. I won't even talk about Alexis because it'd be shameful.
Even by that standard, he was done by 28.. That still counts. The whole debate is about Cesc being done by his late-20s because he peaked early. That still stands. Like many who peak early, Cesc was done by his late 20s.
Ronaldo is on the same boat. The Brazilian Ronaldo. Some peak early and for various reasons fade early. Cesc was part of the who's who when he was at Arsenal. Since then, he was never part of any such list.
It's obvious. We can go round and round until we can't.
Again, ignoring the obvious about him being their top creative player. Also Cesc was 29 in Conte's first season. He turned 30 in May 2017.
He only played around 1,400 mins for Conte in his first season but played around 3,650 the following season. Still bagged 9 assists that year.
If that's your assessment of done. Take a closer look at Ozil at 29/30. 3 assists in 2018/19. Another 3 assists this season.
No need to go around in circles on this one. These are the facts.