Next season's Premier League objectives

[Wenger's Coat]

I expect us to play every game to win. I don’t expect us to win every game we play.

Realistic target given our current sorry state must be finishing in the 3rd to 6th range. Even that will require substantive improvement.

Failure to achieve 3-6 placing next season should be a sackable offence. No excuses (including any cup wins). No further chances.

[jayramfootball]

I expect us to play every game to win. I don’t expect us to win every game we play.

Realistic target given our current sorry state must be finishing in the 3rd to 6th range. Even that will require substantive improvement.

Failure to achieve 3-6 placing next season should be a sackable offence. No excuses (including any cup wins). No further chances.

Fair post ^.

[Santi]

Depends on the transfers of course but I've gone for a top 6 finish aka EL qually. I think top 4 is quite a stretch given where we are, even without European football as a distraction I just don't think this squad is good enough over 38 games and the manager hasn't covered himself in glory yet either.

Top 6 is a minimum, anything less would be atrocious. Top 4 challenge would be nice but City, Liverpool and Chelsea are already guarantees and Utd, Spurs and Leicester all seem to be better placed than us, so we need to spend to even get into the top 6 and use our weekly rest to help us.

[Salibatelli]

Emery manager 5th and almost got 4th with an inferior squad.

We do have sole quality in this squad, Martinelli, Saka, ESR, Tierney, Gabriel, Partey, Pepe, Saliba (if given a chance), Aubameyang.

Then we have some decent backups in Chambers
and Mari, Ryan, Elneny.

Add to that Azeez and Balogun who could potentially offer something and the signings we should be making and the fact we have no Europe so won’t need a big squad and we should be challenging for more than top 6.

We should be getting money for Xhaka, Bellerin, Willock (if we sell), Lacazette, Leno, Nketiah, the question is whether we waste it I guess.

[Santi]

From your list I wouldn't include Pepe, Saliba or Aubameyang. Pepe improved towards the end of the season but you don't count those as important games so let's not count those as important goals either. Saliba we have no idea how he would fare here and Auba was trash last year.

- Utd came 2nd so I don't really expect them to drop out of the top 6, they have a stronger squad and more money than us to improve it.
- Leicester should've been in the CL but luckily for us they have a chief bottler as a manager - they are one option for us to overtake with our lesser amount of games.
- Spurs have two world class c**** in Kane and Son who drag them as best they can. If Kane leaves then I can see us overtaking them, they have been the weakest of the top 6 for 2 years running now anyway.

The other 3 I mentioned, we have absolutely no chance of catching them. Their squads blow ours away and 2 of them have top managers, the other just won the CL and is riding high. They also have money to blow us away in the transfer market (see Hakimi 56m).

I just don't see how we get top 4, to do that we have to outdo all of Utd, Leicester and Spurs...that would take some collapse from those guys or a huge transfer window from us.

[alexafc12]

We're not getting top 4 unless we strengthen massively - which looks very unlikely

[Salibatelli]

From your list I wouldn't include Pepe, Saliba or Aubameyang. Pepe improved towards the end of the season but you don't count those as important games so let's not count those as important goals either. Saliba we have no idea how he would fare here and Auba was trash last year.

- Utd came 2nd so I don't really expect them to drop out of the top 6, they have a stronger squad and more money than us to improve it.
- Leicester should've been in the CL but luckily for us they have a chief bottler as a manager - they are one option for us to overtake with our lesser amount of games.
- Spurs have two world class c**** in Kane and Son who drag them as best they can. If Kane leaves then I can see us overtaking them, they have been the weakest of the top 6 for 2 years running now anyway.

The other 3 I mentioned, we have absolutely no chance of catching them. Their squads blow ours away and 2 of them have top managers, the other just won the CL and is riding high. They also have money to blow us away in the transfer market (see Hakimi 56m).

I just don't see how we get top 4, to do that we have to outdo all of Utd, Leicester and Spurs...that would take some collapse from those guys or a huge transfer window from us.

Fair enough, I see it like this, Pepe has been badly mismanaged, he would be dropped when he scored and could never get some form together, from what I’ve seen of him he has talent and is a genuine goal threat.

Aubameyang is proven and scored for fun before Arteta arrived, so again the system or the way the manager is handling him is the primary issue here IMO.

Saliba fair enough but he’s excelled in France again and was seen as one of the best centre backs in Europe when we signed him, again he’s been mismanaged be had he been involved this season he’d have been use to the PL by now.

City and Liverpool are better for sure, but we saw what happened with Liverpool this season, they struggled so one of the teams again.

Man U have a decent squad but a rubbish manager to be honest, I can see it going pear shaped for him this season opening up another slot in the top 4.

Chelsea, Leicester and Spurs are the lottery, think Spurs will struggle looking at the guy they want to appoint, Leicester are performing above their level considering their squad, Chelsea have a decent squad but we have to see how Tuchel does, it hasn’t all gone swimmingly for him with other clubs.

The problem is see, and it’s a big one is Arteta, I don’t think he can raise our level which is what we need as well and good signings, if you get the best out of players you can achieve a lot, I just don’t think this guy is up to the job, if we had a decent manager though I’d believe we could get into the top 4 if things went right.

As I said Emery nearly did it and should have done with what was an inferior group quality wise.

[Salibatelli]

We're not getting top 4 unless we strengthen massively - which looks very unlikely

A top manager and the right signings and and it’s achievable, I agree it’s not happening though as part 1 of that equation isn’t fulfilled so we’ve got no hope.

I doubt we’ll get top 6 either, but I wouldn’t be happy with just top 6 anyway with no European, that’s pretty poor, we’d need to be close to top 4 and show significant improvement all over the pitch.

I’m expecting another lousy season with terrible football though that’s why I’m not feeling optimistic, I’ve seen nothing from the current management to suggest otherwise.

[Santi]

From your list I wouldn't include Pepe, Saliba or Aubameyang. Pepe improved towards the end of the season but you don't count those as important games so let's not count those as important goals either. Saliba we have no idea how he would fare here and Auba was trash last year.

- Utd came 2nd so I don't really expect them to drop out of the top 6, they have a stronger squad and more money than us to improve it.
- Leicester should've been in the CL but luckily for us they have a chief bottler as a manager - they are one option for us to overtake with our lesser amount of games.
- Spurs have two world class c**** in Kane and Son who drag them as best they can. If Kane leaves then I can see us overtaking them, they have been the weakest of the top 6 for 2 years running now anyway.

The other 3 I mentioned, we have absolutely no chance of catching them. Their squads blow ours away and 2 of them have top managers, the other just won the CL and is riding high. They also have money to blow us away in the transfer market (see Hakimi 56m).

I just don't see how we get top 4, to do that we have to outdo all of Utd, Leicester and Spurs...that would take some collapse from those guys or a huge transfer window from us.

Fair enough, I see it like this, Pepe has been badly mismanaged, he would be dropped when he scored and could never get some form together, from what I’ve seen of him he has talent and is a genuine goal threat.

Aubameyang is proven and scored for fun before Arteta arrived, so again the system or the way the manager is handling him is the primary issue here IMO.

Saliba fair enough but he’s excelled in France again and was seen as one of the best centre backs in Europe when we signed him, again he’s been mismanaged be had he been involved this season he’d have been use to the PL by now.

City and Liverpool are better for sure, but we saw what happened with Liverpool this season, they struggled so one of the teams again.

Man U have a decent squad but a rubbish manager to be honest, I can see it going pear shaped for him this season opening up another slot in the top 4.

Chelsea, Leicester and Spurs are the lottery, think Spurs will struggle looking at the guy they want to appoint, Leicester are performing above their level considering their squad, Chelsea have a decent squad but we have to see how Tuchel does, it hasn’t all gone swimmingly for him with other clubs.

The problem is see, and it’s a big one is Arteta, I don’t think he can raise our level which is what we need as well and good signings, if you get the best out of players you can achieve a lot, I just don’t think this guy is up to the job, if we had a decent manager though I’d believe we could get into the top 4 if things went right.

As I said Emery nearly did it and should have done with what was an inferior group quality wise.

I don't fully disagree but for me we have two problems:

1) The quality of our squad
2) The quality of our manager

We are asking both of those inferiorities to combine to beat 4 other better placed teams and get us top 4? If you could tell me we can get Allegri or a world class manager then I'd have more hope. I'd take Conte in a heartbeat, but the board aren't going that way, so we have to improve point 1 enough that we can break into the top 4 and I don't see that happening either.

That's why I've gone for top 6 in the hope that we will spend a bit to improve 1 and Mikel will get his shit together more to improve 2. We won't go all out in either direction unfortunately but I do also have some hope that we can't underperform as much as last season ffs

[Dejan]

Since I dont think we will be a succesful side anytime soon, I just want our matches and our football to be entertaining.
Last year was the year i have not bothered watching our matches the most since probably 10 years.

[Santi]

bloody foreign fake fans ey ^

[Dejan]

bloody foreign fake fans ey ^

watching at our stock losses was more entertaining than our team last year

[Salibatelli]

From your list I wouldn't include Pepe, Saliba or Aubameyang. Pepe improved towards the end of the season but you don't count those as important games so let's not count those as important goals either. Saliba we have no idea how he would fare here and Auba was trash last year.

- Utd came 2nd so I don't really expect them to drop out of the top 6, they have a stronger squad and more money than us to improve it.
- Leicester should've been in the CL but luckily for us they have a chief bottler as a manager - they are one option for us to overtake with our lesser amount of games.
- Spurs have two world class c**** in Kane and Son who drag them as best they can. If Kane leaves then I can see us overtaking them, they have been the weakest of the top 6 for 2 years running now anyway.

The other 3 I mentioned, we have absolutely no chance of catching them. Their squads blow ours away and 2 of them have top managers, the other just won the CL and is riding high. They also have money to blow us away in the transfer market (see Hakimi 56m).

I just don't see how we get top 4, to do that we have to outdo all of Utd, Leicester and Spurs...that would take some collapse from those guys or a huge transfer window from us.

Fair enough, I see it like this, Pepe has been badly mismanaged, he would be dropped when he scored and could never get some form together, from what I’ve seen of him he has talent and is a genuine goal threat.

Aubameyang is proven and scored for fun before Arteta arrived, so again the system or the way the manager is handling him is the primary issue here IMO.

Saliba fair enough but he’s excelled in France again and was seen as one of the best centre backs in Europe when we signed him, again he’s been mismanaged be had he been involved this season he’d have been use to the PL by now.

City and Liverpool are better for sure, but we saw what happened with Liverpool this season, they struggled so one of the teams again.

Man U have a decent squad but a rubbish manager to be honest, I can see it going pear shaped for him this season opening up another slot in the top 4.

Chelsea, Leicester and Spurs are the lottery, think Spurs will struggle looking at the guy they want to appoint, Leicester are performing above their level considering their squad, Chelsea have a decent squad but we have to see how Tuchel does, it hasn’t all gone swimmingly for him with other clubs.

The problem is see, and it’s a big one is Arteta, I don’t think he can raise our level which is what we need as well and good signings, if you get the best out of players you can achieve a lot, I just don’t think this guy is up to the job, if we had a decent manager though I’d believe we could get into the top 4 if things went right.

As I said Emery nearly did it and should have done with what was an inferior group quality wise.

I don't fully disagree but for me we have two problems:

1) The quality of our squad
2) The quality of our manager

We are asking both of those inferiorities to combine to beat 4 other better placed teams and get us top 4? If you could tell me we can get Allegri or a world class manager then I'd have more hope. I'd take Conte in a heartbeat, but the board aren't going that way, so we have to improve point 1 enough that we can break into the top 4 and I don't see that happening either.

That's why I've gone for top 6 in the hope that we will spend a bit to improve 1 and Mikel will get his shit together more to improve 2. We won't go all out in either direction unfortunately but I do also have some hope that we can't underperform as much as last season ffs

Essentially we agree, I don’t think we can get top 4 due to our limitations, all I’m saying is that if we replaced Arteta for a top manager and then made the right signings with the players we have we could do it, especially with less matches to play.

I know it’s not going to happen because ultimately part 1 of that equation, the manager isn’t happening, for that reason I think top 6 is the best outcome but it would require some of those teams above us to misfire like they have this season as I don’t think Arteta is capable of getting top 6 if the likes of Leicester, Spurs and Chelsea perform because he’s a very limited manager.

As you rightly said Spurs we’re dreadful and we couldn’t even get above them.

I think we forget West Ham did well this season as well, be interesting to see where they are next season, I think Leeds could progress too if they get the right players and Villa seem to be heading in the right direction too.

[Santi]

Maybe we'll end up 12th

[Santi]

bloody foreign fake fans ey ^

watching at our stock losses was more entertaining than our team last year

NIO TO THE MOOOOON