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Angelito wrote:[

You're ignoring the fact that Arteta has money to spend. It's not a Wenger situation. He can spend whilst not having to worry about trophies. Top-4/5 is achievable for Arsenal because competition in the League isn't really at an all-time high.

Unless Berta gifts him an Alexis Sanchez-level game-changer, we will face similar issues as we are this season. Our league form is dreadful, and that was the same problem Emery faced going into the 19/20 season.

Next season, he'll be under pressure from Day 1. Odds are low that he'll bring in the right attacking reinforcements. A 21yo Sesko isn't going to win us a title, neither will Liam f'in Delap. On top of that, he may well have problems with motivating the existing squad members who have given him everything and seen nothing for their efforts.

We're already seeing rising disillusionment from match-going supporters at the Emirates and among the pundits and journos, upon whom his reputation rests. Throw in a Spurs Europa win, unlikely as it may be, and questions will be asked every week.

With a fully fit squad, we'll start well next season. The quality of the players we have is well above average. But, we don't have one or two outstanding players who can win us trophies. Kind of Salah, KDB/ Haaland ( the in- form duo is deadly together),types.
Combined with Arteta ' s inability to inspire or strategize at crucial stages of the season to get over the line, to upend the immediate rival.
Twice we've seen that against City, and this time against Pool. Arteta tends to gets lost in front of the ultimate challenge/ challengers.
He's able to beat the best teams, but not when it matters.
So, I'm sure, with this squad fully fit, we'll be again in Championship conversation, come March ' 26 ( at no.1 or 2) , but don't know if he can really to do it.
Actually, since he's failed thrice, he'll probably suffer from self doubt at this stage. That's why, I think any other similar manager ( Howe, Silva ...) should be tried.

Santi wrote:

theHotHead wrote:

alexis2015finalgoal wrote:What's clear at the club is a systemic failure, coming down from KSE.

Arteta has done better as a novice than we expected, but now it's time for him to go.

Really? You think he has done better than expected, having spent near £800m in 5 years????

Can you show me where you got this 800m number from please?

€792m, according to Transfermarkt.com. That said, I thought the exchange rate was closer to 1:1 but its not, so works out to be £660m

ag6789 wrote:With a fully fit squad, we'll start well next season. The quality of the players we have is well above average. But, we don't have one or two outstanding players who can win us trophies. Kind of Salah, KDB/ Haaland ( the in- form duo is deadly together),types.
Combined with Arteta ' s inability to inspire or strategize at crucial stages of the season to get over the line, to upend the immediate rival.
Twice we've seen that against City, and this time against Pool. Arteta tends to gets lost in front of the ultimate challenge/ challengers.
He's able to beat the best teams, but not when it matters.
So, I'm sure, with this squad fully fit, we'll be again in Championship conversation, come March ' 26 ( at no.1 or 2) , but don't know if he can really to do it.
Actually, since he's failed thrice, he'll probably suffer from self doubt at this stage. That's why, I think any other similar manager ( Howe, Silva ...) should be tried.

This is such flawed logic. We had a full squad at the start of the season and we were not great. You cannot expect to have a full squad all season, it hardly ever works like that. Its why you have a squad, to absorb losses to injury and suspension, if the drop in quality is big the squad you have built is not good.

Last two seasons we didn't have much injuries, especially to first choice players, hence we got close to the Champions. This season, we're hit by injuries,so fighting for 2nd spot.
The key point is ,can Arteta deliver when it really matters; in crunch games, under pressure. That's where the evidence is lacking.

theHotHead wrote:

Santi wrote:

theHotHead wrote:

alexis2015finalgoal wrote:What's clear at the club is a systemic failure, coming down from KSE.

Arteta has done better as a novice than we expected, but now it's time for him to go.

Really? You think he has done better than expected, having spent near £800m in 5 years????

Can you show me where you got this 800m number from please?

€792m, according to Transfermarkt.com. That said, I thought the exchange rate was closer to 1:1 but its not, so works out to be £660m

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That's 11 transfer windows - c£60m per window - or £120m per year.
That's not a great deal compared to other top clubs.
It's only 5th in the PL, behind City, Chelsea, Spurs and Man Utd.
It's not a lot more than Villa and West Ham.



We're over achieving based on money spent - although that is not really a true measure of potential for a whole host of reasons.

The team that just beat us in the CL semi final have spent far more than us over the period by the way - 30% more.

If you are going to focus on transfer spend, then the conclusion is that we are over achieving - by a lot.

theHotHead wrote:

Santi wrote:

theHotHead wrote:

alexis2015finalgoal wrote:What's clear at the club is a systemic failure, coming down from KSE.

Arteta has done better as a novice than we expected, but now it's time for him to go.

Really? You think he has done better than expected, having spent near £800m in 5 years????

Can you show me where you got this 800m number from please?

€792m, according to Transfermarkt.com. That said, I thought the exchange rate was closer to 1:1 but its not, so works out to be £660m

Screenshot_20250510-084127.png

Loan transfers cost money, which isn't reflected in Transfermrkt stats. £5m for Sterling, plus similar amounts for Ceballos. Plus there is the money spent on terminating contracts: £17m for Ozil, £10m for Auba, £7m for Pepe, plus smaller amounts for Mustafi, Kolasinac, Callum Chambers.

theHotHead wrote:

Santi wrote:

theHotHead wrote:

alexis2015finalgoal wrote:What's clear at the club is a systemic failure, coming down from KSE.

Arteta has done better as a novice than we expected, but now it's time for him to go.

Really? You think he has done better than expected, having spent near £800m in 5 years????

Can you show me where you got this 800m number from please?

€792m, according to Transfermarkt.com. That said, I thought the exchange rate was closer to 1:1 but its not, so works out to be £660m

Screenshot_20250510-084127.png

Thanks - will get back on this when I have some time. Wasn’t disputing the amount so much but good to know what you were using so I can use the same to respond

I have a question for the fanboys. If we overhaul the overhaul, do we have to again wait 5 seasons for results? Does the clock on delivering reset?

swipe right wrote:I have a question for the fanboys. If we overhaul the overhaul, do we have to again wait 5 seasons for results? Does the clock on delivering reset?

Fanboys of what? Arsenal? Okay so I can answer.

Under mikel - no
Under new manager - yes

Difference is probably more in our view of success from where we were. From here I don’t think it can be different, there’s only 1 or 2 levels to go upward and trophies are the obvious result.

3 seasons ago when we threw away an 8 point lead I wasnt mad at Mikel, I thought we put up a great fight and simply just didn't have the squad to cope.

The next season I expected us to bring in a quality CF, he brought in Havertz for whatever reason that made little sense to me then and in hindsight. Considering the slow start to life at Arsenal for Havertz its not unreasonable to suggest had Arteta bought in a competent CF we would've won the league last season.

Havertz did well at some things as a CF but his conversion rate is horrible, you don't expect him to score the 50/50 chances, so we all expected Arteta to bring in another CF, not least to provide backup for Havertz. But he didn't and the predictable happened - Havertz got injured and in the games that followed we didnt look like scoring goals. Its in this period the damage to our latest title aspirations was done.

To go from where we were a season ago to where we are now, for me is too galling to accept because it could've been avoided, there was no reason for Arteta to make the decisions he made, decisions that made Trossard, Martinelli, Odegaard and Rice look like absolute dross for most of the season. Thats why I cannot accept Arteta as anything but totally at fault and because he has made such idiotic basic mistakes I don't see how he can remain in charge.

theHotHead wrote:
To go from where we were a season ago to where we are now, for me is too galling to accept because it could've been avoided, there was no reason for Arteta to make the decisions he made, decisions that made Trossard, Martinelli, Odegaard and Rice look like absolute dross for most of the season. Thats why I cannot accept Arteta as anything but totally at fault and because he has made such idiotic basic mistakes I don't see how he can remain in charge.

Very well put

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:

theHotHead wrote:
To go from where we were a season ago to where we are now, for me is too galling to accept because it could've been avoided, there was no reason for Arteta to make the decisions he made, decisions that made Trossard, Martinelli, Odegaard and Rice look like absolute dross for most of the season. Thats why I cannot accept Arteta as anything but totally at fault and because he has made such idiotic basic mistakes[b] I don't see how he can remain in charge.[/b]

Very well put

But sadly, he will be in charge next season.

A damaging season for sure.
Started with all those stupid Red cards, followed by slew of injuries throughout the season. None of the returning players regained their original sharpness. On top of that Arteta, who doesn't have enough experience dealing/w this huge injury crisis, had to make adjustments and readjustments to plans ,strategies and team combination, that it eventually cost us all the trophies. Now some players and even the manager will be left with self doubts about their abilities. The optimism that supporters felt over the past two seasons has been jolted heavily.

Going to try and make this simple for everyone, I tend to think everyone wants Arsenal to succeed ONE THING BLURS THE LINES AND HAS SINCE CL QUALIFICATION BECOME TOP 4.
since European success was tasted by a Scottish club before a English club, the holey grail of football become the European cup then now CL.
The CL is the holey grail make no odds until Arsenal win it there are alot of clubs who will continually rub that fact in our very noses,
But I think every competition Arsenal enter needs to be challenged to win it, if the standard we meet for any given season is bellow CL or we go out of CL then Europa it is,
Where I get fkd off is hailing 4th place as a ambition or achievement, it's money for the owners it's qualification for the holey grail, but if you are not going to give your players the assets around them like a Striker what is the expectation of the club or what is the target it clearly is not winning.Arteta said himself he could of got a striker the decisions were in his court his words he makes the final transfer decisions, squad size and quality are his decisions and are all his players amassed by himself, training and playing time his decisions.
KSE need removing but while they invest the type of money they have into a manager I see no point in removing them yet.
Football is played on the pitch by players amassed coached trained and organized by Arteta. He should go.

Person I feel sorry for is Berta because unless there is some plan on removing Arteta through Berta, Berta is the new scapegoat of Arteta.
Has Arsenal made a decision for Project 2.0 Arteta with actual director if so I don't think I can take 5 more years of Arteta shit talent ID poor tactics and absolute scandalous selection policy