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Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 11:17 am
by elkanofan
jayramfootball wrote:
As for Spurs, we started the game very well and were much the better side. Then a soft penalty swung the game followed by the sending off.
Easy for Spurs after that.


Jay. Explain to me why we went 3-1-5-1 after 7 minutes when we shit ourselves after Spurs first cross? Why was Martinelli at LWB which destroyed our frontline pressing we did for the first 5 miutes vs Spurs. Please watch us play and stop just parroting nonsense which suits your pro Arteta stance. Why would we react like that if we were so much the better side?

Why did we fail to deal with any of Spurs crosses all game even before Holding was inevitably sent off?

I do get it - you are upset at losing top 4.
We all are, but a sky is falling reaction is no more than the emotion of a big loss kicking in which usually takes the form of an outpouring of confirmation bias on long held talking points that make no sense when we win games and seem to make sense when we lose games.


Because we are in the same position we were at the beginning of the season but even less secure and uncertain. Its also cleae the players have stopped playing for a manager we just gave a 3 year deal to with no pull or influence to draw players to our club to improve.

We just bottled top 3, let alone top 4 which was handed to us on a plate. I guess i have to 'be excited' and 'trust the process' of hackey marshes hoofball if we are losing.

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 11:19 am
by elkanofan
jayramfootball wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
elkanofan wrote:I watched the 2nd half back from yesterdays game.

I wont ramble on with a famous essay and breakdown what went wrong in incramental details as i like to do.

For the 2nd game in a row Martinelli was playing LWB and later on LB off the ball after Tavares was subbed off who incidently wasant too bad yesterday compared to the rest of the shit on the pitch bar a few good saves from Ramsdale, some important blocks from Gabriel and Elneny being the only player keeping some form of discipline.

All i ask to all Arteta in people, do you now understand Xhaka's interview as to the truth on why players didnt follow the managers orders? If you given ridiculous instructions like Martinelli was given yesterday! What scares me the most and why i feel really quite upset now is my deepest fear of our star young players getting fed up and leaving are a very real possiblity we need to consider right now.

The body language of our team at the final whistle and nobody responding to Arteta shows hes lost these players, they dont believe in him and his ridgid tactics which revert to hackney marshes hoofball when we are losing.

I'm now 96% sure Arteta wont make it to 2023 as our manager. That was by far our worst match I have seen under Arteta.

The emperor or should I say mysteron is naked.


We hear this kind of thing every time we lose a game. A macro analysis painting a doomsday picture of the future of the club.
It’s not logical.
The issue yesterday was clear to me. Young players could not handle the level of pressure of a premier league run in. For many it was the first time under anything like that intense pressure.
Coupled with that was the fact the Newcastle played extremely well. It was a bloody tough game that was always going to be difficult to win.
Sometimes/mostly when you lose games there does not have to be a major underlying issue.
The club embarked on a strategy 12 months ago that is not close to be realised yet. Our squad is wafer thin. We don’t have the ability to deal with the injuries.
Yes, we can disagree with the approach to shedding so many of the old guard at once that left us short, but we took a conscious decision to rip the plaster off.

Our squad is young and packed full of talent. We will add to it. We’re not the finished article and this year we did remarkably well to be in a top 4 race given where we are.

I would calm down a bit and see where this all takes us. We will certainly have a clearer picture at the end of next season after we’ve added further to the squad and seen what they current young players can do with another years experience.

We have a lot of fans spoiled by 20yrs of top 4. We have no god given right to be there. In our history top 4 is not the norm and top 5 is actually one of our better seasons. This club is trying to build a new era of success and after 1 year from the start, I think we’re ahead of schedule.

My one big criticism of the club and Arteta is that it took them so long to rip that plaster off.


Newcastle are a bang average side who battered us with ease yesterday. They played well, however they didnt do anything special, they didnt show anything of the quality Spurs did in their comfortable win over us. They just pumped long balls and crosses in and found little to no serious resistance.

Odegaard has been playing pro football for 7 years! Saka has already a EC final under his belt, ESR has been in and around our first team since 2018 for 4 years now, Martinelli is now a full Brazil international. These players were not and should not be afraid of bang average Newcastle away. Their fear was not the pressure of knowing we need to win, their fear was they dont believe in this managers abillity to give us and the tean the right strategy to win.

This was not the first time our formation disintergrated in desperation while we were losing and it wont be the last under Arteta. With the amount of players set to leave our club and so many positions need a serious rebuild like striker, central midfield, right back, why would our young talents want to hang around hoping things work out next year when elite and ambitious clubs can give them the clarity, quality and cohesion to win big trophies?

You dont seem to get it. The way things have gone. This article just like the Cesc/Nasri/project youth 2008-2011 team will never be finished under this manager. It all club PR, media brainwashing guff!

This 'process' of hackney marshes hoofball like we saw vs Brighton/Southampton/Newcastle when we are losing and Arteta runs out of ideas isn't a project worth these players hanging around for.



Newcastle have picked up the 4th most points in the league since Christmas, have now won 7 of their last 8 home games and the atmosphere last night was as intense as I have seen St James in years. They did do something special. Their press was fantastic and they kept it going for 90 minutes.


If you come out and play the same tired old pass sideways yo our wide men and hope but slowly then high pressuring us off the bal is a siple tactic to seize control of the game which Newcastle did. They were poor in attack and had little to no creativity. Their first goal came from our pathetic, slow reaction to get into position qfter a foul throw. Aas i said before, nothing special. We could have won 3-0 and Newcastle wuld had still had an end of season party.

Few of our players have experienced anything like the intensity of a PL run in with it all on the line in 1 game.


How is a European Championship final and taking a penalty in that final less pressure than Newcastle away?

How is looking to prove your good enough to displace Modric at Real Madrid, along with brining Norway to a EC or WC with Haaland less pressure than Newcastle away?

How is looking to estabilsh yourself in the Brazilian Nantional team with competition from Vinicius, Anthony, Rodriygo, Rafiniha amoung others less pressure than Newcastle away?

Just three examples of situations our players have been in already from their careers which require even more pressure than already safe, bang average, nothing to play for Newcastle away


Are you not able to distinguish the difference between 'few of our players' and 'all of our players'?
This is what I mean about being overly emotional after a loss - when you can't take the time to read and comprehend it's a clear sign you are not thinking straight.

As it happens Saka looked very dangerous in the first half - he was one player who looked to be mentally strong last night.

Your other examples are not even close to the pressure of a PL run in.
Even a Euro Cup final is different. Both teams under huge pressure.
Last night Newcastle played with zero pressure.


I mentioned all of our best youngsters who know how to dea with pressure and we still have enough experience around them to deal with pressure. As Xhaka said. If they cant handle the pressure stay at home.

The pressure was the manager has no f***ing clue what hes doing if we are losing which got the players the most.

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 11:20 am
by elkanofan
CrimsonGunner11 wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
CrimsonGunner11 wrote:If by some miracle we get CL football after the final match week then Arteta would have earned another season. But only just. I however see no chance of us qualifying for the CL at this point so I might as well get my rant in early.

To start, I cannot believe some of the posts I’ve been reading on here after yesterdays game. How anyone! still thinks Arteta is the right man for the job is beyond me. He won’t get an easier season than this season! and he failed at pretty much every hurdle that was presented to him.

This was my response to one of Angelito’s post at the end of last season and unfortunately Arteta did not make me eat my words:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=26609&p=1946376&hilit=Sack#p1946376

As I’ve mentioned in the post and at other times, Arteta will probably become a good manager with time but right now he isn’t and a club of our size cannot afford to persist with him until however long it takes for him to become what we need him to be. It’s literally costing us millions!!

Sack him, FFS!! and let him develop elsewhere. If there’s no ill will then we’ll arrange to bring him back again when he’s ready.

But in the meantime bring in someone with experience! The candidate doesn’t need to be someone special. I bet someone like Graham Potter would put Arteta’s best season to shame.


He’s already earned another 3 seasons.
You sound like you think we’re entitled to be in the top 4 (or higher). What do you mean ‘a club of our size’? Fanbase? History? Revenue?


I been reading some of your posts recently and I don’t know if you’re purposely trying to wind people up or you just have blinders on.

There’s no entitlement here. Just pure, unadulterated objective analysis.

We had no European football and therefore could focus entirely on the league. FACT.

We were eliminated early from all other domestic cups which made focusing on the league even easier. FACT.

Arteta has had more than one season to settle in and implement his vision. FACT.

Arteta and company had the opportunity to address two key weaknesses in our team during the summer which was Xhaka’s position and the ST position but they chose not to. FACT.

Arteta and company had the opportunity to strengthen again in January but chose not to. FACT.

Arteta and company let go of players who could have helped us and chose not to replace them entirely or replace them properly. FACT.

The fact of the matter is that a top 4 finish was there for the taking this season and Arteta bottled it.




FACTS!!!!!!

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 11:27 am
by jayramfootball
elkanofan wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
elkanofan wrote:I watched the 2nd half back from yesterdays game.

I wont ramble on with a famous essay and breakdown what went wrong in incramental details as i like to do.

For the 2nd game in a row Martinelli was playing LWB and later on LB off the ball after Tavares was subbed off who incidently wasant too bad yesterday compared to the rest of the shit on the pitch bar a few good saves from Ramsdale, some important blocks from Gabriel and Elneny being the only player keeping some form of discipline.

All i ask to all Arteta in people, do you now understand Xhaka's interview as to the truth on why players didnt follow the managers orders? If you given ridiculous instructions like Martinelli was given yesterday! What scares me the most and why i feel really quite upset now is my deepest fear of our star young players getting fed up and leaving are a very real possiblity we need to consider right now.

The body language of our team at the final whistle and nobody responding to Arteta shows hes lost these players, they dont believe in him and his ridgid tactics which revert to hackney marshes hoofball when we are losing.

I'm now 96% sure Arteta wont make it to 2023 as our manager. That was by far our worst match I have seen under Arteta.

The emperor or should I say mysteron is naked.


We hear this kind of thing every time we lose a game. A macro analysis painting a doomsday picture of the future of the club.
It’s not logical.
The issue yesterday was clear to me. Young players could not handle the level of pressure of a premier league run in. For many it was the first time under anything like that intense pressure.
Coupled with that was the fact the Newcastle played extremely well. It was a bloody tough game that was always going to be difficult to win.
Sometimes/mostly when you lose games there does not have to be a major underlying issue.
The club embarked on a strategy 12 months ago that is not close to be realised yet. Our squad is wafer thin. We don’t have the ability to deal with the injuries.
Yes, we can disagree with the approach to shedding so many of the old guard at once that left us short, but we took a conscious decision to rip the plaster off.

Our squad is young and packed full of talent. We will add to it. We’re not the finished article and this year we did remarkably well to be in a top 4 race given where we are.

I would calm down a bit and see where this all takes us. We will certainly have a clearer picture at the end of next season after we’ve added further to the squad and seen what they current young players can do with another years experience.

We have a lot of fans spoiled by 20yrs of top 4. We have no god given right to be there. In our history top 4 is not the norm and top 5 is actually one of our better seasons. This club is trying to build a new era of success and after 1 year from the start, I think we’re ahead of schedule.

My one big criticism of the club and Arteta is that it took them so long to rip that plaster off.


Newcastle are a bang average side who battered us with ease yesterday. They played well, however they didnt do anything special, they didnt show anything of the quality Spurs did in their comfortable win over us. They just pumped long balls and crosses in and found little to no serious resistance.

Odegaard has been playing pro football for 7 years! Saka has already a EC final under his belt, ESR has been in and around our first team since 2018 for 4 years now, Martinelli is now a full Brazil international. These players were not and should not be afraid of bang average Newcastle away. Their fear was not the pressure of knowing we need to win, their fear was they dont believe in this managers abillity to give us and the tean the right strategy to win.

This was not the first time our formation disintergrated in desperation while we were losing and it wont be the last under Arteta. With the amount of players set to leave our club and so many positions need a serious rebuild like striker, central midfield, right back, why would our young talents want to hang around hoping things work out next year when elite and ambitious clubs can give them the clarity, quality and cohesion to win big trophies?

You dont seem to get it. The way things have gone. This article just like the Cesc/Nasri/project youth 2008-2011 team will never be finished under this manager. It all club PR, media brainwashing guff!

This 'process' of hackney marshes hoofball like we saw vs Brighton/Southampton/Newcastle when we are losing and Arteta runs out of ideas isn't a project worth these players hanging around for.



Newcastle have picked up the 4th most points in the league since Christmas, have now won 7 of their last 8 home games and the atmosphere last night was as intense as I have seen St James in years. They did do something special. Their press was fantastic and they kept it going for 90 minutes.


If you come out and play the same tired old pass sideways yo our wide men and hope but slowly then high pressuring us off the bal is a siple tactic to seize control of the game which Newcastle did. They were poor in attack and had little to no creativity. Their first goal came from our pathetic, slow reaction to get into position qfter a foul throw. Aas i said before, nothing special. We could have won 3-0 and Newcastle wuld had still had an end of season party.

Few of our players have experienced anything like the intensity of a PL run in with it all on the line in 1 game.


How is a European Championship final and taking a penalty in that final less pressure than Newcastle away?

How is looking to prove your good enough to displace Modric at Real Madrid, along with brining Norway to a EC or WC with Haaland less pressure than Newcastle away?

How is looking to estabilsh yourself in the Brazilian Nantional team with competition from Vinicius, Anthony, Rodriygo, Rafiniha amoung others less pressure than Newcastle away?

Just three examples of situations our players have been in already from their careers which require even more pressure than already safe, bang average, nothing to play for Newcastle away


Are you not able to distinguish the difference between 'few of our players' and 'all of our players'?
This is what I mean about being overly emotional after a loss - when you can't take the time to read and comprehend it's a clear sign you are not thinking straight.

As it happens Saka looked very dangerous in the first half - he was one player who looked to be mentally strong last night.

Your other examples are not even close to the pressure of a PL run in.
Even a Euro Cup final is different. Both teams under huge pressure.
Last night Newcastle played with zero pressure.


I mentioned all of our best youngsters who know how to dea with pressure and we still have enough experience around them to deal with pressure. As Xhaka said. If they cant handle the pressure stay at home.

The pressure was the manager has no f***ing clue what hes doing if we are losing which got the players the most.


No. all of our best young players did not have the experience of that situation.
You are just making things up so you can launch into some extreme nonsense.

We finished 5th - a good season - with a young squad that is only half way through a rebuild.
That is the main fact of this season.
It was also entirely expected - good progress but a real stretch this year to be top 4.
That's about where we're at.
There is no big crisis.

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 12:39 pm
by CrimsonGunner11
jayramfootball wrote:
CrimsonGunner11 wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
CrimsonGunner11 wrote:If by some miracle we get CL football after the final match week then Arteta would have earned another season. But only just. I however see no chance of us qualifying for the CL at this point so I might as well get my rant in early.

To start, I cannot believe some of the posts I’ve been reading on here after yesterdays game. How anyone! still thinks Arteta is the right man for the job is beyond me. He won’t get an easier season than this season! and he failed at pretty much every hurdle that was presented to him.

This was my response to one of Angelito’s post at the end of last season and unfortunately Arteta did not make me eat my words:

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=26609&p=1946376&hilit=Sack#p1946376

As I’ve mentioned in the post and at other times, Arteta will probably become a good manager with time but right now he isn’t and a club of our size cannot afford to persist with him until however long it takes for him to become what we need him to be. It’s literally costing us millions!!

Sack him, FFS!! and let him develop elsewhere. If there’s no ill will then we’ll arrange to bring him back again when he’s ready.

But in the meantime bring in someone with experience! The candidate doesn’t need to be someone special. I bet someone like Graham Potter would put Arteta’s best season to shame.


He’s already earned another 3 seasons.
You sound like you think we’re entitled to be in the top 4 (or higher). What do you mean ‘a club of our size’? Fanbase? History? Revenue?


I been reading some of your posts recently and I don’t know if you’re purposely trying to wind people up or you just have blinders on.



Neither.


There’s no entitlement here. Just pure, unadulterated objective analysis.

We had no European football and therefore could focus entirely on the league. FACT.



Your analysis is not close to be objective.
We had the league and two cups to focus on - Not in Europa.... so? If it were as easy to get in the CL as not being in the EL, then it would be rather simple to get back in the CL for everyone.



The top 6 of England are called the top 6 for a reason. These clubs are United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Sp*rs, and Arsenal. Their resources indicate that they have the best chance of all other clubs in England to finish in the top 6 more consistently. Recent history reveals that of these 6 clubs City, Liverpool, and Chelsea are nailed on for a top 4 finish every season by most people. This means that the final 4th spot has been a toss-up between United, Arsenal, and Sp*rs over recent years. This season we had no European obligations and no domestic cups midweek to hinder our preparations for the weekend games. Add this to the fact that United and Sp*rs had managerial issues and a more congested schedule, then a reasonable person would assume that we were favorites for the final 4th spot this season.


jayramfootball wrote:

We were eliminated early from all other domestic cups which made focusing on the league even easier. FACT.


Not a fact.

We don't have a history of taking the Carabao cup seriously, so my comment may just as well be considered as FACT. Even though my comment is not technically correct, the domestic cups tend not to conflict with league games so Arteta and company still could focus on the league. That is undeniable

jayramfootball wrote:
Arteta has had more than one season to settle in and implement his vision. FACT.

True - but then the real vision for the future really only started at the beginning of this year with the move to completely revamp the squad.
I do think we started too late and should have done it straight after Wenger leaving.

one step forward, two steps back. That is our current trajectory right now. every season we delay the right decisions will only make things more difficult down the line. I am not willing to wait 10 years for success when it can be achieved in 5 or less.

jayramfootball wrote:
Arteta and company had the opportunity to address two key weaknesses in our team during the summer which was Xhaka’s position and the ST position but they chose not to. FACT.


Xhaka has been fine - not really a problem.
I would have liked another midfielder and a striker - I also understand that we are rebuilding over more than one summer.
I don't buy thathere was a big clamour for a striker. No one was expecting Auba to be even worse than last year.

We have not qualified for the CL since Xhaka's been here. It's no longer a coincidence anymore.

WRT the striker position. We needed help for Lacazette and it was clear at least to me that Aubameyang was not the answer. Arteta's actions especially in January indicated that there were no other strikers in world football that could do a better job than Nketiah. That train of thought is concerning

jayramfootball wrote:
Arteta and company had the opportunity to strengthen again in January but chose not to. FACT.


Not a fact. We tried to to bring in a player who would improve us in January in the ST position and couldn't get it done. It's not that chose not to act.
Even then the ifs buts and maybe's of a whether a new striker would have settled and scored goals immediately is not really something that can be proven.
I am quite pleased we were disciplined enough as a club not to panic and stick with a longer term plan.


Trying and actually fulfilling something are two different things. The fact that Arteta and company bought no strikers in January meant we did not strengthen the striker position. Undeniable FACT

Again the actions of Arteta and company in January reveal that there were no other strikers in world football that could do a better job than Nketiah. Look where that decision has put us.

jayramfootball wrote:
Arteta and company let go of players who could have helped us and chose not to replace them entirely or replace them properly. FACT.

I think it was more important to get rid of the older players who had done nothing to get us top 4 in the past.
It's astonishing that we've not been in the top 4 with those players for 6 years, yet some claim they would have got us there. :dontknow:

Its about properly replacing the players you've lost. It's always been. With Wenger in his final years. and now with Arteta. If you can't properly replace players that will help us achieve our objective then you don't let them go. Most of the players we have on loan or sold and did not replace properly could have helped us secure 4th spot. If Arteta could not handle the personalities of these players then that says all you need to know about his management style. Take Pep for instance who's able to keep players likes Jesus, Sterling, Mahrez, and Grealish on the bench with little to no problem. Arteta couldn't do that with the likes of Niles, Guendouzi, and Saliba. That alone is a major red flag.

jayramfootball wrote:
The fact of the matter is that a top 4 finish was there for the taking this season and Arteta bottled it.


It was a stretch this year - harder than the last 2 years as both Chelsea and Spurs improved over last season.
It is disappointing that having over achieved to get in a good position we fell at the final hurdle.
But top 5 is our joint highest position for 6 years and we have the advantage of having a much younger and more talented core of players that can take us forward.... with additions coming.

I am positive about the future.
You are free to be afraid and upset all you like.


Assuming Arteta is the one that brings us back to winning major trophies again then I await your told-you-sos. But until then and as far as I am concerned we could have gotten there sooner. Just like it was with Wenger when we could have gotten rid of him sooner, we're now regretting that decision with every passing season. We will always be playing catch-up. and in the process, other clubs will just keep moving further away out of reach or overtake us. Chelsea have been out of reach for many seasons. Sp*rs are pulling away and can consolidate their position now that they have Conte. The likes of Newcastle, West Ham, and Leicester are showing more ambition than we are and it will not be long before they finish above us more consistently the way we're headed

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 1:55 pm
by 22-0
wake me up when hes gone.

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 1:56 pm
by Goonerred
22-0 wrote:wake me up when hes gone.

You're going to be asleep a long time.

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 4:02 pm
by EliteKiller
jayramfootball wrote: Newcastle have picked up the 4th most points in the league since Christmas, have now won 7 of their last 8 home games and the atmosphere last night was as intense as I have seen St James in years. They did do something special. Their press was fantastic and they kept it going for 90 minutes.

Few of our players have experienced anything like the intensity of a PL run in with it all on the line in 1 game.

As for Spurs, we started the game very well and were much the better side. Then a soft penalty swung the game followed by the sending off.
Easy for Spurs after that.

I do get it - you are upset at losing top 4.
We all are, but a sky is falling reaction is no more than the emotion of a big loss kicking in which usually takes the form of an outpouring of confirmation bias on long held talking points that make no sense when we win games and seem to make sense when we lose games.


Since March Newcastle have lost 5-1 to Spurs, 5-0 to City, 1-0 to Liverpool and 1-0 to Chelsea ..... but yeah much to good for us. (FYI they also lost the home games against Spurs, City and Chelsea hmmmm)

The Sky has fallen in, the squad is weak, players are as usual running down contracts, and now every opposition manager knows what a one-trick pony Arteta has become. Press our players high up the pitch and we will make mistakes, or if you don't have the players to do that just park the bus and play on the counter ... we've struggled against both those basic tactics all season, last night was no exception.

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 4:16 pm
by jayramfootball
EliteKiller wrote:
jayramfootball wrote: Newcastle have picked up the 4th most points in the league since Christmas, have now won 7 of their last 8 home games and the atmosphere last night was as intense as I have seen St James in years. They did do something special. Their press was fantastic and they kept it going for 90 minutes.

Few of our players have experienced anything like the intensity of a PL run in with it all on the line in 1 game.

As for Spurs, we started the game very well and were much the better side. Then a soft penalty swung the game followed by the sending off.
Easy for Spurs after that.

I do get it - you are upset at losing top 4.
We all are, but a sky is falling reaction is no more than the emotion of a big loss kicking in which usually takes the form of an outpouring of confirmation bias on long held talking points that make no sense when we win games and seem to make sense when we lose games.


Since March Newcastle have lost 5-1 to Spurs, 5-0 to City, 1-0 to Liverpool and 1-0 to Chelsea ..... but yeah much to good for us. (FYI they also lost the home games against Spurs, City and Chelsea hmmmm)

The Sky has fallen in, the squad is weak, players are as usual running down contracts, and now every opposition manager knows what a one-trick pony Arteta has become. Press our players high up the pitch and we will make mistakes, or if you don't have the players to do that just park the bus and play on the counter ... we've struggled against both those basic tactics all season, last night was no exception.


Won of 7 their last 8 home games.
They've been playing well.
I think the 4th most points since Christmas.

Stop trying to make the result even worse than it was.
Revel in your sky is falling doom porn if you like but at least keep it to reality.

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 4:30 pm
by EliteKiller
jayramfootball wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
jayramfootball wrote: Newcastle have picked up the 4th most points in the league since Christmas, have now won 7 of their last 8 home games and the atmosphere last night was as intense as I have seen St James in years. They did do something special. Their press was fantastic and they kept it going for 90 minutes.

Few of our players have experienced anything like the intensity of a PL run in with it all on the line in 1 game.

As for Spurs, we started the game very well and were much the better side. Then a soft penalty swung the game followed by the sending off.
Easy for Spurs after that.

I do get it - you are upset at losing top 4.
We all are, but a sky is falling reaction is no more than the emotion of a big loss kicking in which usually takes the form of an outpouring of confirmation bias on long held talking points that make no sense when we win games and seem to make sense when we lose games.


Since March Newcastle have lost 5-1 to Spurs, 5-0 to City, 1-0 to Liverpool and 1-0 to Chelsea ..... but yeah much to good for us. (FYI they also lost the home games against Spurs, City and Chelsea hmmmm)

The Sky has fallen in, the squad is weak, players are as usual running down contracts, and now every opposition manager knows what a one-trick pony Arteta has become. Press our players high up the pitch and we will make mistakes, or if you don't have the players to do that just park the bus and play on the counter ... we've struggled against both those basic tactics all season, last night was no exception.


Won of 7 their last 8 home games.
They've been playing well.
I think the 4th most points since Christmas.

Stop trying to make the result even worse than it was.
Revel in your sky is falling doom porn if you like but at least keep it to reality.


So you're saying we're now worse than Newcastle so that's all OK? - you are a fool, reality is Newcastle are still a mid table side this season, who lost all their games against the top four home and away, yet they smashed us with ease, sadly that's reality,

You're fictional part season tables are meaningless - the top clubs have different priorities (Europe / Cups) - except us of course.

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 4:31 pm
by Marsbar100
End of the day we choked, thats not acceptable

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 5:01 pm
by jayramfootball
I see the doomers are getting bashed and ration on social media
Love to see it. :biggrin:

Team is getting a standing ovation after the Everton game.

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 5:12 pm
by UFGN
jayramfootball wrote:I see the doomers are getting bashed and ration on social media
Love to see it. :biggrin:

Team is getting a standing ovation after the Everton game.


Keep gloating that we failed and you love it.

You're a f***ing wunming scumbag.

Members of this forum who take this spud animal seriously should be ashamed of themselves

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 5:19 pm
by jayramfootball
UFGN wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:I see the doomers are getting bashed and ration on social media
Love to see it. :biggrin:

Team is getting a standing ovation after the Everton game.


Keep gloating that we failed and you love it.

You're a f***ing wunming scumbag.

Members of this forum who take this spud animal seriously should be ashamed of themselves


Take your pills .
You forgot again.

Re: Arteta Out

PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 5:26 pm
by Hypergooner
January mistakes were Arteta, but the last 2 matches are down to the players, not the manager!
Holding got a lesson from Sung. He played him like a cheap guitar.
Inexperience allowed Newcastle to dominate us.
Arteta has made some costly mistakes I feel, but I don't think replacing him is the right decision just yet. We'd be set back another 4 seasons with a new manager.