Arteta Out

[Highbury Hillbilly]

The Super League is doing away with permanent members, everyone will have to qualify.

That alone should be reason to sack. If not, making midtable with no Europe and £150m spent is also a good reason.

[jayramfootball]

The Super League is doing away with permanent members, everyone will have to qualify.

That alone should be reason to sack. If not, making midtable with no Europe and £150m spent is also a good reason.

Lol what?

[Hypergooner]

That's...not good enough.

Give Arteta until the end of the season, and if results haven't improved, then fire him and bring in someone like Ten Hag or Potter.

He's a mid-table manager at this point. If you analyze our form since he's been in charge, it's classic mid-table. We seem to have dull periods followed by a good run of form. Then, we plummet back to the mean.

Under Arteta, we've consistently hovered in and around 8th - 12th places. It's not a coincidence.

Interesting to think how he'd fare at a club that doesn't swing on his whims and fancies. He does have neat ideas. It's the implementation part that seems to be his foil. Despite spending £225m here, we're worse off than we were during Emery's first season, which in itself wasn't good enough for Arsenal.

I do think there's a good manager somewhere in there. The Arsenal job was too soon, too big for him. Not his fault that the Kroenkes offered him the job.

I was for Arteta's appointment initially. I wanted to see what a novice would bring to the table. If it didn't work out, Arsenal could have simply sacked him. Little did I know that Arsenal would treat this affair like an orthodox marriage.

I wouldn't be surprised if he remained Arsenal manager until the end of his contract even if he "achieved" 8th this season. Josh Kroenke seems to be willing to die on the Arsenal hill named Arteta.

On a different note, if this project Arteta fails, and the subsequent manager also doesn't deliver, I feel the Kroenkes would be okay selling Arsenal. They seem to be searching for a Wenger-esque figure who'd manage the club from top to bottom. Someone who wouldn't hassle them, and would be capable of generating their own funds—leading the club without much supervision or guidance. That's what they hope to see from Arteta and Edu. It hasn't been the case so far.

Just a feeling at this stage though.

I'm with you on the good manager in Arteta somewhere. I like him, his energy etc. But he needs to be doing his time at another club away from the Prem like Gerrard is.

When Wenger left, we as a club weren't in a position to play around and needed to reduce the odds of slipping further as much as possible. Emry was good on paper but it didn't quite work out. Our next move should have been for a world renowned coach with CL pedigree while we could just about get one.

When George Graham departed we got Bruce in. Didn't quite work out so we sacked and got a well respect manager from abroad (albeit UK hadn't heard of him) Europe rated him as a coach

[swipe right]

There is no basis for claiming Arteta has the makings of a good manager. He’s tactically poor, a bad judge of talent and pays over the odds for players. The results are lousy as a consequence. He’s been given time to implement his ideas and they haven’t worked. We will end the season outside the top ten with him. The average premier league manager gets between 90 and 100 games in charge of a club and he’s already at that point. So sacking him would not be premature. Better make a change now and give the new manager at least half a season to try and push for a European spot.

[LMAO]

That's...not good enough.

Give Arteta until the end of the season, and if results haven't improved, then fire him and bring in someone like Ten Hag or Potter.

He's a mid-table manager at this point. If you analyze our form since he's been in charge, it's classic mid-table. We seem to have dull periods followed by a good run of form. Then, we plummet back to the mean.

Under Arteta, we've consistently hovered in and around 8th - 12th places. It's not a coincidence.

Interesting to think how he'd fare at a club that doesn't swing on his whims and fancies. He does have neat ideas. It's the implementation part that seems to be his foil. Despite spending £225m here, we're worse off than we were during Emery's first season, which in itself wasn't good enough for Arsenal.

I do think there's a good manager somewhere in there. The Arsenal job was too soon, too big for him. Not his fault that the Kroenkes offered him the job.

I was for Arteta's appointment initially. I wanted to see what a novice would bring to the table. If it didn't work out, Arsenal could have simply sacked him. Little did I know that Arsenal would treat this affair like an orthodox marriage.

I wouldn't be surprised if he remained Arsenal manager until the end of his contract even if he "achieved" 8th this season. Josh Kroenke seems to be willing to die on the Arsenal hill named Arteta.

On a different note, if this project Arteta fails, and the subsequent manager also doesn't deliver, I feel the Kroenkes would be okay selling Arsenal. They seem to be searching for a Wenger-esque figure who'd manage the club from top to bottom. Someone who wouldn't hassle them, and would be capable of generating their own funds—leading the club without much supervision or guidance. That's what they hope to see from Arteta and Edu. It hasn't been the case so far.

Just a feeling at this stage though.

I'm with you on the good manager in Arteta somewhere. I like him, his energy etc. But he needs to be doing his time at another club away from the Prem like Gerrard is.

When Wenger left, we as a club weren't in a position to play around and needed to reduce the odds of slipping further as much as possible. Emry was good on paper but it didn't quite work out. Our next move should have been for a world renowned coach with CL pedigree while we could just about get one.

When George Graham departed we got Bruce in. Didn't quite work out so we sacked and got a well respect manager from abroad (albeit UK hadn't heard of him) Europe rated him as a coach

Also agree. There's the potential for a good manager somewhere in him.

He's got the theory aspect of the game down. Applying the theory has been the huge issue, and if he can ever manager to overcome that, then he'll be an actual manager worth his salt.

If he hasn't improved the results by the end of the season (at least a EL spot), then I wouldn't be against letting him go, and he can go get his feet under him in a more manageable job at a smaller club with lower expectations, then maybe, he can come back one day once he's got it figured out.

[Power n Glory]

That's...not good enough.

Give Arteta until the end of the season, and if results haven't improved, then fire him and bring in someone like Ten Hag or Potter.

He's a mid-table manager at this point. If you analyze our form since he's been in charge, it's classic mid-table. We seem to have dull periods followed by a good run of form. Then, we plummet back to the mean.

Under Arteta, we've consistently hovered in and around 8th - 12th places. It's not a coincidence.

Interesting to think how he'd fare at a club that doesn't swing on his whims and fancies. He does have neat ideas. It's the implementation part that seems to be his foil. Despite spending £225m here, we're worse off than we were during Emery's first season, which in itself wasn't good enough for Arsenal.

I do think there's a good manager somewhere in there. The Arsenal job was too soon, too big for him. Not his fault that the Kroenkes offered him the job.

I was for Arteta's appointment initially. I wanted to see what a novice would bring to the table. If it didn't work out, Arsenal could have simply sacked him. Little did I know that Arsenal would treat this affair like an orthodox marriage.

I wouldn't be surprised if he remained Arsenal manager until the end of his contract even if he "achieved" 8th this season. Josh Kroenke seems to be willing to die on the Arsenal hill named Arteta.

On a different note, if this project Arteta fails, and the subsequent manager also doesn't deliver, I feel the Kroenkes would be okay selling Arsenal. They seem to be searching for a Wenger-esque figure who'd manage the club from top to bottom. Someone who wouldn't hassle them, and would be capable of generating their own funds—leading the club without much supervision or guidance. That's what they hope to see from Arteta and Edu. It hasn't been the case so far.

Just a feeling at this stage though.

I'm with you on the good manager in Arteta somewhere. I like him, his energy etc. But he needs to be doing his time at another club away from the Prem like Gerrard is.

When Wenger left, we as a club weren't in a position to play around and needed to reduce the odds of slipping further as much as possible. Emry was good on paper but it didn't quite work out. Our next move should have been for a world renowned coach with CL pedigree while we could just about get one.

When George Graham departed we got Bruce in. Didn't quite work out so we sacked and got a well respect manager from abroad (albeit UK hadn't heard of him) Europe rated him as a coach

Also agree. There's the potential for a good manager somewhere in him.

He's got the theory aspect of the game down. Applying the theory has been the huge issue, and if he can ever manager to overcome that, then he'll be an actual manager worth his salt.

If he hasn't improved the results by the end of the season (at least a EL spot), then I wouldn't be against letting him go, and he can go get his feet under him in a more manageable job at a smaller club with lower expectations, then maybe, he can come back one day once he's got it figured out.

He should go back to being an assistant manager or take a coaching role if that's the case. There are so many low level coaches, journalists, bloggers and even fans that have a really good grasp on football theory these days. A common criticism of football pundits like Neville is that they can talk it but can't coach or manage a team. Being able to communicate and get ideas through to your players to carry out is essential. Arteta is missing the most important aspect of management in my opinion.

[VCC]

I also think there is a good manager there like all young managers McDonalds is where he should have started

[jayramfootball]

There is no basis for claiming Arteta has the makings of a good manager. He’s tactically poor, a bad judge of talent and pays over the odds for players. The results are lousy as a consequence. He’s been given time to implement his ideas and they haven’t worked. We will end the season outside the top ten with him. The average premier league manager gets between 90 and 100 games in charge of a club and he’s already at that point. So sacking him would not be premature. Better make a change now and give the new manager at least half a season to try and push for a European spot.

^yada yada yada.

[theHotHead]

While I am seeing other managers do more with less, Arteta has to go, I can't accept such levels of under performance and downright ineptness. So many mangers out there, teams playing decent football but because their teams have no teeth they don't score much which means they lose a lot. Plenty of managers able to get a system that works for their players, management 101. Arteta has to buy his way to success, any fool can do that and I don't want Arsenal to turn into "that club".

[jayramfootball]

While I am seeing other managers do more with less, Arteta has to go, I can't accept such levels of under performance and downright ineptness. So many mangers out there, teams playing decent football but because their teams have no teeth they don't score much which means they lose a lot. Plenty of managers able to get a system that works for their players, management 101. Arteta has to buy his way to success, any fool can do that and I don't want Arsenal to turn into "that club".

Seriously, HH, What a load of BS
You are still clinging onto the notion that we could be top 4 with the players Emery bought and the ageing players still here that Wenger left behind?
No way. We needed to buy a lot of players and the way we are doing it is very smart - we got 6 players for 150m this summer. Young players that not only set us up well for the future but reverse the trend we were in of depreciating assets killing our potential for further growth.
Edu and Areta are spot on with what they are doing - it was the only way.
Whether it will work, we will see.

[theHotHead]

Jay, I don't see the dearth of talent and quality that you see. You would have the basis of an agreeable argument if Arteta was getting 66% out of the team, but he is nowhere near that. So how can you complain about the players when the manager can't even get them to play toward their level !!!

[jayramfootball]

Jay, I don't see the dearth of talent and quality that you see. You would have the basis of an agreeable argument if Arteta was getting 66% out of the team, but he is nowhere near that. So how can you complain about the players when the manager can't even get them to play toward their level !!!

Good enough to break us into top 4?

Guendouzi - no
Martinelli - not yet
Leno - no
Torriera - no
Tierney - yes
Saliba - not yet
Ceballos - no
Pepe - no
Sokratis - no
Luis - no
Lichsteiner - no
Suarez - no

The players in bold MIGHT be good enough and they all are still Arsenal players that might progress and could one day be part of of an Arsenal side that is a top 4 side.

The rest - either gone or no way are they good enough to lift us up to City, Liverpool, Chelsea, or Utd. Probably wouldn't even be good enough for Spurs, West Ham or Leicester.

The you have the players who are still here that carried over from Wenger..
Part of a future for this club where we're at or near the top again?

Auba - no
Lacazette - no
Holding - no
Chambers - no
Kolasinac - no
AMN - no
Xhaka - no
Elneny - no
Bellerin - no
Nelson - no
Nketiah - no
Mavropanos - no


Then you have some young players that have been around for a while and come though.
ESR - yes
Saka - yes

If you think that lot contained a top 4 first team, you are smoking dope.

[DiamondGooner]

............. although I somewhat agree with you JayRam on we probably don't have the players for top 4 considering the players the top 4 usuals actually have, we do have the players for 5th and should be knocking on the top 4, but HH still has a point because whether we're top 4 or not ....... we are still massively underperforming.

Top 4/5/6 is one argument ......... but we're 12th and finished 8th, are you saying our team isn't better than that?

Also you missed out a heap of players.

Martinelli
ESR
Saka (.....he's actually not but you guys all think he is)
Pepe (If coached right)
Partey
Odegaard
Lacazette
Auba
Tierney
Gabriel
Ramsdale
Tomi
White

.............. how is that not the bones of a top 5 squad?

We should be playing 4-3-3 with Pepe, Auba, Laca as the front 3 but instead Arteta the d*ck is playing 4-2-3-1 meaning Auba central is isolated and the two Wingers are stuck out wide, we should be playing a closer 3 attackers LF / CF / RF.

Instead we're playing LW / ST / RW leaving the ST on his own with no close support to play off.

Also in a 3 man midfield we could adapt either 2 CAM's and one CDM or 2 CDM's 1 CAM opponent dependent.

Its all their ready to go ............ yet, Arteta.

[jayramfootball]

............. although I somewhat agree with you JayRam on we probably don't have the players for top 4 considering the players the top 4 usuals actually have, we do have the players for 5th and should be knocking on the top 4, but HH still has a point because whether we're top 4 or not ....... we are still massively underperforming.

Top 4/5/6 is one argument ......... but we're 12th and finished 8th, are you saying our team isn't better than that?

Also you missed out a heap of players.

Martinelli
ESR
Saka (.....he's actually not but you guys all think he is)
Pepe (If coached right)
Partey
Odegaard
Lacazette
Auba
Tierney
Gabriel
Ramsdale
Tomi
White

.............. how is that not the bones of a top 5 squad?

We should be playing 4-3-3 with Pepe, Auba, Laca as the front 3 but instead Arteta the d*ck is playing 4-2-3-1 meaning Auba central is isolated and the two Wingers are stuck out wide, we should be playing a closer 3 attackers LF / CF / RF.

Instead we're playing LW / ST / RW leaving the ST on his own with no close support to play off.

Also in a 3 man midfield we could adapt either 2 CAM's and one CDM or 2 CDM's 1 CAM opponent dependent.

Its all their ready to go ............ yet, Arteta.

Well look, the players you have listed include the new influx.
HH's argument was that when Arteta arrived he had a top 4 squad.

What we have now are a lot of young players - we needed lots of players and we've decided to buy potential. We can go round the houses on whether that is a good strategy or not, but the fact is we needed an overhaul - a lot of new players - and we simply didn't have the funds to go out and buy 6 or 7 ready-made stars.

The squad now? IF, and it's a big if, the new younger players fulfil their potential (and the existing younger players continue to develop) we may well have a top 4 side. We might even find they get close this year. Top 5/6. Yes. That is the MINIMUM for me this year.
I wouldn't overly worry about '12th'. We started with a slew of injuries and Covid issues. We're only 8 games into the season and we've been picking up points since the first 3 games. We can't afford the pace to drop off in terms of the points, but if the last 5 games are replicated for the rest of the season, we are AT LEAST 6th, maybe even top 4.

Next checkpoint for me is where we are at Christmas - I think that is another 10 games or so.

[Santi]

Still going well for Nuno and his world class forwards over the road btw, wish we'd gotten him.