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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:59 pm

UFGN wrote:
MathyGooner wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Yup.

To be fair to ag6789 he has stated for ages that Liverpool are not that good, as I have been stating too.

That's the most annoying thing, just feels like we have given Liverpool a free league title!


we lost the league because we can't score , simple as that. 16th place Spurs have scored more goals than us, 60 to 57.


Bingo.

Best defence in the league but 13 points off the top. Pretty clear where the problem lies.


The tactical geniuses on GW who reckoned we didn't need a striker because their God Arteta couldn't possibly just be a shit manager who'd blown his budget on players we don't need, are surprisingly quiet


The same squad last season scored 91.

Arteta sacrificed what was working well for a handful of corner goals, which dried up months ago.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Losmeister » Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:12 pm

tomorrow is gonna be a nightmare based on todays results....
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby ag6789 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:29 pm

I'm not surprised by our lack of goals. When you've all four of your forwards, Saka, Havertz, Jesus and Martinelli out for majority of the season, you'll come short. Not ignoring Odegaard,who also contributed handsomely last 3 seasons.
Their replacements stepped up partially,with Nwaneri and Merino doing an admirable job, but Sterling failed and to an extent Trossard did worse than last season.
My bigger regret is the defence, which keeps on giving away critical goals from which we can't recover. We take the lead , then get pegged back because of stupid defensive mistakes, sent offs, penalties etc. Once you concede goals against the run of the play , confidence tanks and you suffer, especially when number of your goal getters and creative players are out.
The makeshift offense works hard to create an opening,a lead, which you give away through stupidity.
Result: Draw after draw.
Another regret is Arteta being afraid to take up the challenge when it mattered and took a defensive posture to give up the league title. Even w/ all our problems,it was game on this season ( at least a month ago), until Arteta decided against it.
He failed to use his resources astutely. For this, I'm beginning to think he can't take us forward anymore. He's failing at critical times and that's not good.
Every time we get a good result, like thrashing of ManCity, you'd think of getting on a run, but no, we stutter,and give up ground. Time and again.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Ach » Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:32 pm

We needed a striker before any of those got injured
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby ag6789 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:02 pm

What would a mediocre striker do without service? All your forwards are out, so a CF w/ little mobility will do what?
We had Nketiah and everyone wanted him out for 4 yrs. We also saw what Lacazette did w/ o much service.
We were not going to get a 30 goal striker ( Haaland or Isak) , we could only obtain another unproven front man , who would have been no better than Merino ( 8 goals already).
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby MathyGooner » Tue Apr 15, 2025 10:27 pm

Eh, Nketiah isn't a mediocre strikwe, he's worse. We're seeing that in full force now at Palace. Laca I'll accept. But mediocre striker will still get goals non-strikers won't. Would it have made a difference in the league? Probably not. But the CL it could have.

Regardless, being limited to mediocre stikers might have been true for the January window but the previous summer we should have been moving mountains to bag a top striker. Summer was the true failing.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Losmeister » Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:33 am


Best defence in the league but 13 points off the top. Pretty clear where the problem lies.


cant top the bard. ( Brevity is the soul of wit.) :clap:

Same as it ever was.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:29 am

swipe right wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Yup.

To be fair to ag6789 he has stated for ages that Liverpool are not that good, as I have been stating too.

That's the most annoying thing, just feels like we have given Liverpool a free league title!

Good enough to be leading the league by 13 fcking points. The table never lies.

And the arrogance to say we have given them a free league title. They have won two CLs and PL in the time we've won a handful of FA cups.

Not sure if you are being serious !!

Man City - shit. Man U - shit. Chelsea - shit. Spurs - shit. Arsenal - decent (but not good). Liverpool - decent (bordering good, nowhere near close to very good let alone excellent that City and Arsenal have been in recent seasons).

Thats yer top 6 clubs this season.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:31 am

UFGN wrote:
MathyGooner wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Yup.

To be fair to ag6789 he has stated for ages that Liverpool are not that good, as I have been stating too.

That's the most annoying thing, just feels like we have given Liverpool a free league title!


we lost the league because we can't score , simple as that. 16th place Spurs have scored more goals than us, 60 to 57.


Bingo.

Best defence in the league but 13 points off the top. Pretty clear where the problem lies.


The tactical geniuses on GW who reckoned we didn't need a striker because their God Arteta couldn't possibly just be a shit manager who'd blown his budget on players we don't need, are surprisingly quiet

The arrogance of thinking we didn't need a striker!!! Absolutely incredible from the manager.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:36 am

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
UFGN wrote:
MathyGooner wrote:
Highbury Hillbilly wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Yup.

To be fair to ag6789 he has stated for ages that Liverpool are not that good, as I have been stating too.

That's the most annoying thing, just feels like we have given Liverpool a free league title!


we lost the league because we can't score , simple as that. 16th place Spurs have scored more goals than us, 60 to 57.


Bingo.

Best defence in the league but 13 points off the top. Pretty clear where the problem lies.


The tactical geniuses on GW who reckoned we didn't need a striker because their God Arteta couldn't possibly just be a shit manager who'd blown his budget on players we don't need, are surprisingly quiet


The same squad last season scored 91.

Arteta sacrificed what was working well for a handful of corner goals, which dried up months ago.

Interesting point this - the change of play has been a bigger contributor to our faltering attack than not signing a striker because that change hung Odegaard, Rice, Martinelli and Trossard out to dry, they have been so far below their level this season.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:40 am

ag6789 wrote:What would a mediocre striker do without service? All your forwards are out, so a CF w/ little mobility will do what?
We had Nketiah and everyone wanted him out for 4 yrs. We also saw what Lacazette did w/ o much service.
We were not going to get a 30 goal striker ( Haaland or Isak) , we could only obtain another unproven front man , who would have been no better than Merino ( 8 goals already).

A decent striker would get on the end of many of the chances we created but didn't have anyone in the box or in a sensible position in the box, to convert.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Rockape » Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:35 am

No question on needing a striker.

Only problem is that there aren't many decent strikers around. The ones that are decent have a host of clubs willing to pay silly money for them, so its not a simple problem to solve.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:41 am

We could've bought Gyokeres for sensible money in the summer.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Zenith » Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:04 am

theHotHead wrote:We could've bought Gyokeres for sensible money in the summer.

Not according to Fabrizio Romano―that is, unless you're of the opinion that paying his release clause of €100m would have been sensible business.

According to Romano, Gyökeres has a 'pact' with Sporting to not push for a move in 2024 on the condition that the club would be willing to listen to offers of around €65-70m in the summer of 2025.

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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:22 pm

Perhaps the reason we are being so quiet on Gyokeres is to keep his price down. €100m for him is value for money, when you consider the prices of others being bandied around !!
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