Power n Glory wrote:Özim wrote:Power n Glory wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Power n Glory wrote:Ridiculous contradictions. Today the manger doesn't matter much but not so long ago he was being praised for his post Christmas record where we were a 'Top 4' team. Jayram is on one. Arguing with Zim saying Arteta has improved us since taking over and talking stats but also arguing that football starts and stops with the players with HH. It's a wind up.
Our improvement over the last 18 months is mainly down to the players, with Arteta playing his role (which is lesser as he doesn't kick a ball)
I have not been 'praising' Arteta. I have been talking about an actual improvement in the results and performances of the team. That is in counter to the ACTUAL (and excessive) windups from the doomers on this site, of which you are one.
Seems to be a characteristic of Doomers - either you agree with their morose outlook or you become an enemy to be attacked.
Apparently being positive about Arsenel next season - on an Arsenal forum - is a wind up.
Every single damn thread one (or more) of you pops in to link some negative to Arteta and how we're going to end up mid-table this coming year, how we're going to sell our best players, how no one wants to join us, even seeing people hoping the club suffer financially and have a bad season all so Arteta can be sacked to feed their desperate need to have their negativity validated. I've seen posters either stop posting or post a lot less because of the absolute car crash you doomers are creating.
If it makes you feel good to attack me personally, go for it. Just do better. A lot better.
As for you, I look forward to reading about your next fake crisis that is all Arteta's fault - (not).
Seriously don't know how you guys (Doomers not Gooners) are going to even enjoy next season unless we collapse as a club.
You play your role by feeding into it by setting up camps as if it is that simple. Knock yourself out if that's what you enjoy. But the simple fact is, your contradicting yourself in this argument. If we've seen an improvement since Arteta took over from Emery and Freddie, then it shows the importance of a manager. If our post Christmas record has us in the Top 4 and you argue that it's something to be positive about, then that shows again that we have capable players but the manager was under performing in the first half of the season or he's pushed something extra out of them that should be beyond them. Again, either side of the argument, it shows the importance of good management.
Great post, you can’t credit Arteta for the post Christmas run and then say the poor performance is down to the players, it doesn’t make sense.
For me the buck stops with Arteta, his performance has been dreadful and we’re on a hiding to nowhere with him in charge and if as I expect he doesn’t deliver next season either we’ll have wasted yet another season sticking with him, something no other big club would do.
It doesn't make sense. The arguments on the defensive have been mostly inconsistent. A few months back some argued we had a worse team than Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Villa and the players had gone as far they could go. That was their explanation for us being so far down the table. But we ended up taking over those teams so the players couldn't have been that bad. They definitely were underperforming and it's no coincidence it's one of our worst seasons in years with such a young manager. I've always thought we've underachieved with what we have and mismanaged. On the pitch to transfer strategy and team building, we have mismanaged. We can do better.
Remember when Southampton were top of the league and people said it was because they had a better squad than us?!! One poster in particular argued that point with me lol, I wonder if he will pick up that piece of corn I just threw ......