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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:46 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
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Power n Glory wrote:Ridiculous contradictions. Today the manger doesn't matter much but not so long ago he was being praised for his post Christmas record where we were a 'Top 4' team. Jayram is on one. Arguing with Zim saying Arteta has improved us since taking over and talking stats but also arguing that football starts and stops with the players with HH. It's a wind up.


Our improvement over the last 18 months is mainly down to the players, with Arteta playing his role (which is lesser as he doesn't kick a ball)
I have not been 'praising' Arteta. I have been talking about an actual improvement in the results and performances of the team. That is in counter to the ACTUAL (and excessive) windups from the doomers on this site, of which you are one.

Seems to be a characteristic of Doomers - either you agree with their morose outlook or you become an enemy to be attacked.
Apparently being positive about Arsenel next season - on an Arsenal forum - is a wind up. :dizzy:

Every single damn thread one (or more) of you pops in to link some negative to Arteta and how we're going to end up mid-table this coming year, how we're going to sell our best players, how no one wants to join us, even seeing people hoping the club suffer financially and have a bad season all so Arteta can be sacked to feed their desperate need to have their negativity validated. I've seen posters either stop posting or post a lot less because of the absolute car crash you doomers are creating.

If it makes you feel good to attack me personally, go for it. Just do better. A lot better.

As for you, I look forward to reading about your next fake crisis that is all Arteta's fault - (not).

Seriously don't know how you guys (Doomers not Gooners) are going to even enjoy next season unless we collapse as a club.


You play your role by feeding into it by setting up camps as if it is that simple. Knock yourself out if that's what you enjoy. But the simple fact is, your contradicting yourself in this argument. If we've seen an improvement since Arteta took over from Emery and Freddie, then it shows the importance of a manager. If our post Christmas record has us in the Top 4 and you argue that it's something to be positive about, then that shows again that we have capable players but the manager was under performing in the first half of the season or he's pushed something extra out of them that should be beyond them. Again, either side of the argument, it shows the importance of good management.


Great post, you can’t credit Arteta for the post Christmas run and then say the poor performance is down to the players, it doesn’t make sense.

For me the buck stops with Arteta, his performance has been dreadful and we’re on a hiding to nowhere with him in charge and if as I expect he doesn’t deliver next season either we’ll have wasted yet another season sticking with him, something no other big club would do.


It doesn't make sense. The arguments on the defensive have been mostly inconsistent. A few months back some argued we had a worse team than Everton, West Ham, Leeds, Villa and the players had gone as far they could go. That was their explanation for us being so far down the table. But we ended up taking over those teams so the players couldn't have been that bad. They definitely were underperforming and it's no coincidence it's one of our worst seasons in years with such a young manager. I've always thought we've underachieved with what we have and mismanaged. On the pitch to transfer strategy and team building, we have mismanaged. We can do better.

Remember when Southampton were top of the league and people said it was because they had a better squad than us?!! One poster in particular argued that point with me lol, I wonder if he will pick up that piece of corn I just threw ......
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby swipe right » Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:48 pm

Buying Willian and selling Emi should qualify for dismissal.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:49 pm

ag6789 wrote:SAF started winning after 5 yrs on the job. Mou a has been, bouncing around, so is Carlo, Conte doesn't stick around inspite of coaching top players and well backed in the market. Pep needs superstars..so that leaves Klopp who also needed at least 2-3years to achieve anything. So great managers don't fall from the sky, they also have to earn it and jostle through the mud before anything good.
In that regard, we already had the best of the best when we won in '97.

Stay off the drugs ! How can you question what Mourinho the slag has done, at Porto and at Inter?!!! He may be a has been but he was at one point the best manager in the world. You don't manage Inter, Real Madrid and Man U if you are not a top manager.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:06 pm

theHotHead wrote:
ag6789 wrote:SAF started winning after 5 yrs on the job. Mou a has been, bouncing around, so is Carlo, Conte doesn't stick around inspite of coaching top players and well backed in the market. Pep needs superstars..so that leaves Klopp who also needed at least 2-3years to achieve anything. So great managers don't fall from the sky, they also have to earn it and jostle through the mud before anything good.
In that regard, we already had the best of the best when we won in '97.

Stay off the drugs ! How can you question what Mourinho the slag has done, at Porto and at Inter?!!! He may be a has been but he was at one point the best manager in the world. You don't manage Inter, Real Madrid and Man U if you are not a top manager.



Mourinho did well at Porto in a crap league, but since then? Chelsea - none of his trophies are worth anything. They were bought. Same for every club he managed until he started having to manage clubs without the money in tough leagues and he hasn't been so good in those circumstances.

He's got a lot of medals - fair play to him - but the correlation between trophies and good managers was broken as soon as financial cheating became the norm. Same with a manager like Pep. No idea if he is a good manager or not. He hasn't had any challenges in his career in management.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby swipe right » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:39 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
ag6789 wrote:SAF started winning after 5 yrs on the job. Mou a has been, bouncing around, so is Carlo, Conte doesn't stick around inspite of coaching top players and well backed in the market. Pep needs superstars..so that leaves Klopp who also needed at least 2-3years to achieve anything. So great managers don't fall from the sky, they also have to earn it and jostle through the mud before anything good.
In that regard, we already had the best of the best when we won in '97.

Stay off the drugs ! How can you question what Mourinho the slag has done, at Porto and at Inter?!!! He may be a has been but he was at one point the best manager in the world. You don't manage Inter, Real Madrid and Man U if you are not a top manager.



Mourinho did well at Porto in a crap league, but since then? Chelsea - none of his trophies are worth anything. They were bought. Same for every club he managed until he started having to manage clubs without the money in tough leagues and he hasn't been so good in those circumstances.

He's got a lot of medals - fair play to him - but the correlation between trophies and good managers was broken as soon as financial cheating became the norm. Same with a manager like Pep. No idea if he is a good manager or not. He hasn't had any challenges in his career in management.

Don’t you think Mourinho’s CL win with Inter was a masterclass in management?
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:46 pm

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
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ag6789 wrote:SAF started winning after 5 yrs on the job. Mou a has been, bouncing around, so is Carlo, Conte doesn't stick around inspite of coaching top players and well backed in the market. Pep needs superstars..so that leaves Klopp who also needed at least 2-3years to achieve anything. So great managers don't fall from the sky, they also have to earn it and jostle through the mud before anything good.
In that regard, we already had the best of the best when we won in '97.

Stay off the drugs ! How can you question what Mourinho the slag has done, at Porto and at Inter?!!! He may be a has been but he was at one point the best manager in the world. You don't manage Inter, Real Madrid and Man U if you are not a top manager.



Mourinho did well at Porto in a crap league, but since then? Chelsea - none of his trophies are worth anything. They were bought. Same for every club he managed until he started having to manage clubs without the money in tough leagues and he hasn't been so good in those circumstances.

He's got a lot of medals - fair play to him - but the correlation between trophies and good managers was broken as soon as financial cheating became the norm. Same with a manager like Pep. No idea if he is a good manager or not. He hasn't had any challenges in his career in management.

Don’t you think Mourinho’s CL win with Inter was a masterclass in management?


Cup competition.
Spurs even got to a final.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Salibatelli » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:48 pm

swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
ag6789 wrote:SAF started winning after 5 yrs on the job. Mou a has been, bouncing around, so is Carlo, Conte doesn't stick around inspite of coaching top players and well backed in the market. Pep needs superstars..so that leaves Klopp who also needed at least 2-3years to achieve anything. So great managers don't fall from the sky, they also have to earn it and jostle through the mud before anything good.
In that regard, we already had the best of the best when we won in '97.

Stay off the drugs ! How can you question what Mourinho the slag has done, at Porto and at Inter?!!! He may be a has been but he was at one point the best manager in the world. You don't manage Inter, Real Madrid and Man U if you are not a top manager.



Mourinho did well at Porto in a crap league, but since then? Chelsea - none of his trophies are worth anything. They were bought. Same for every club he managed until he started having to manage clubs without the money in tough leagues and he hasn't been so good in those circumstances.

He's got a lot of medals - fair play to him - but the correlation between trophies and good managers was broken as soon as financial cheating became the norm. Same with a manager like Pep. No idea if he is a good manager or not. He hasn't had any challenges in his career in management.

Don’t you think Mourinho’s CL win with Inter was a masterclass in management?


It’s 100% was, no manager could get Inter anywhere near winning it at that time.

Mourinho was an amazing manager, like Wenger he seems to have gone off the boil, but at his best he was the best around and the reason the clubs he was at won stuff.

At Chelsea didn’t they go several years without losing a home game?
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:48 pm

Which not good managers a) went to money bags teams in the first place and b) won trophies? I can name a load of managers that went to money bags teams and didn't win shit.

Lets look at Chelsea, since Abramovich took over the notable managers that won something were:

Mourinho, Hiddink, Ancelotti, Di Matteo, Benitez, Conte, Sarri, Tuchel.

Since Abramovich took over the list of managers they have had beyond the list above is:

Avram Grant, Big Phil Scolari, Andre Villas Boas, Frank Lampard.

Look at the calibre of managers that won major trophies compared to the ones that didn't !!! Apart from Di Matteo who arguably only took over the team/good form that Ancelotti left, Its like a who's who of top managers.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Salibatelli » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:48 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
ag6789 wrote:SAF started winning after 5 yrs on the job. Mou a has been, bouncing around, so is Carlo, Conte doesn't stick around inspite of coaching top players and well backed in the market. Pep needs superstars..so that leaves Klopp who also needed at least 2-3years to achieve anything. So great managers don't fall from the sky, they also have to earn it and jostle through the mud before anything good.
In that regard, we already had the best of the best when we won in '97.

Stay off the drugs ! How can you question what Mourinho the slag has done, at Porto and at Inter?!!! He may be a has been but he was at one point the best manager in the world. You don't manage Inter, Real Madrid and Man U if you are not a top manager.



Mourinho did well at Porto in a crap league, but since then? Chelsea - none of his trophies are worth anything. They were bought. Same for every club he managed until he started having to manage clubs without the money in tough leagues and he hasn't been so good in those circumstances.

He's got a lot of medals - fair play to him - but the correlation between trophies and good managers was broken as soon as financial cheating became the norm. Same with a manager like Pep. No idea if he is a good manager or not. He hasn't had any challenges in his career in management.

Don’t you think Mourinho’s CL win with Inter was a masterclass in management?


Cup competition.
Spurs even got to a final.


A cup competition only the best sides win, plus the two legged formats don’t allow smaller clubs to win.

You only need to look at the clubs that have won it, there’s no Wigan’s in there unlike the FA cup which is played over one leg and allows for shocks.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:54 pm

Özim wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
ag6789 wrote:SAF started winning after 5 yrs on the job. Mou a has been, bouncing around, so is Carlo, Conte doesn't stick around inspite of coaching top players and well backed in the market. Pep needs superstars..so that leaves Klopp who also needed at least 2-3years to achieve anything. So great managers don't fall from the sky, they also have to earn it and jostle through the mud before anything good.
In that regard, we already had the best of the best when we won in '97.

Stay off the drugs ! How can you question what Mourinho the slag has done, at Porto and at Inter?!!! He may be a has been but he was at one point the best manager in the world. You don't manage Inter, Real Madrid and Man U if you are not a top manager.



Mourinho did well at Porto in a crap league, but since then? Chelsea - none of his trophies are worth anything. They were bought. Same for every club he managed until he started having to manage clubs without the money in tough leagues and he hasn't been so good in those circumstances.

He's got a lot of medals - fair play to him - but the correlation between trophies and good managers was broken as soon as financial cheating became the norm. Same with a manager like Pep. No idea if he is a good manager or not. He hasn't had any challenges in his career in management.

Don’t you think Mourinho’s CL win with Inter was a masterclass in management?


Cup competition.
Spurs even got to a final.


A cup competition only the best sides win, plus the two legged formats don’t allow smaller clubs to win.

You only need to look at the clubs that have won it, there’s no Wigan’s in there unlike the FA cup which is played over one leg and allows for shocks.


The competition is designed to have the top teams in the last 16.
Most of the big teams are automatically in it every year because their leagues have no depth and then get seeded to so they face easy games to get through to the knockout stages.
Occasionally a smaller team can break through, though pretty rare.
Its got worse in that respect as time has gone by.
Once in the last 16 it's just whoever gets on a roll and has a bit of luck, but the trophy tends to cycle round the same teams who are always in it.

It's really just a giant ATM machine for the big clubs.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:57 pm

Man City were owned by Abu Dhabi in 2008, the managers since then were:

Eriksson - won nothing
Mark Hughes - won nothing
Mancini - won stuff
Pellegrini - won stuff
Guardiola - won stuff.

Again, just managing a moneybags team by itself does not guarantee success, you have to be a good manager too!!
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:04 pm

theHotHead wrote:Man City were owned by Abu Dhabi in 2008, the managers since then were:

Eriksson - won nothing
Mark Hughes - won nothing
Mancini - won stuff
Pellegrini - won stuff
Guardiola - won stuff.

Again, just managing a moneybags team by itself does not guarantee success, you have to be a good manager too!!


or you just have to be not a shit manager.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:26 pm

Hughes I will give you is shit, Eriksson wasn't
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jul 11, 2021 3:33 pm

theHotHead wrote:Hughes I will give you is shit, Eriksson wasn't


Well that's debatable but regardless, He was at the very start of the process of City purchasing trophies and was there for what, 1 year? The first year.
No doubt if they'd just kept him he'd have multiple titles by now.
A 5 yr old could win trophies at City.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby theHotHead » Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:15 pm

The words "clusterfuck" come to mind ......
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