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Re: Arteta Out

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:07 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:We're at a crossroads though in the season.

He's got us into the right place but we can all tell its going to go one way or the other right now.

We were in good form, but this month has been horrendous, lets not forget who we've lost to this month, Nottingham Forrest included.

........ in a couple of hours I'm hoping to see that our weak offense hasn't returned, that issue seems to have reoccurred.

We need our full backs to bomb forward and over lap, that's when our offense was at its best.


Fair.
If he fails, then he has to go. (to me - and I suspect the board too - failure means outside the top 6 this year and outside the top 4 next).
It's a big 18 games coming up, starting today.

For the rest of the season, I reckon we can afford 4 more losses and 3 draws - will 11 wins. That would give us 71 points and a shot at top 4. No 3pts today makes the job harder given we have some tougher games to play.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Salibatelli » Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:07 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Nuggets wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Santi wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:17 years since our last title and we’re being sold a “long term” plan, think 17 years is long enough to have got us competitive again, what we’re seeing is no progress or progress at a snails pace whilst spending vast fortunes.

In terms of value for money it’s pretty poor.



Then your anger should be aimed at the one guy who’s been here the whole time.

Mikel has had 2 of those 17 years.


Yep - and so far he's doing better than I expected getting us out of the mess the club was in.

Yep 2 8th places in 2 years is progress, out of Europe he is on a roll.lol


Took over in 12th... got us into a top 4 race in 2 years.


You keep mentioning this 12th place bits it’s kinda irrelevant, we weren’t a 12th place team, we were only there because of circumstances at that particular point in time.

He actually took over a team who were 5th the season before. You keep raving about Arteta, truth is he’s achieved very little and if someone had said this what he’d have achieved by now after 2 years most would have given him a miss.

His performance hasn’t been very good overall, again look at what Klopp achieved, it was vastly superior and when they outclassed us last week with a weakened team it was all too apparent.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:09 pm

Salibatelli wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Nuggets wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Santi wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:17 years since our last title and we’re being sold a “long term” plan, think 17 years is long enough to have got us competitive again, what we’re seeing is no progress or progress at a snails pace whilst spending vast fortunes.

In terms of value for money it’s pretty poor.



Then your anger should be aimed at the one guy who’s been here the whole time.

Mikel has had 2 of those 17 years.


Yep - and so far he's doing better than I expected getting us out of the mess the club was in.

Yep 2 8th places in 2 years is progress, out of Europe he is on a roll.lol


Took over in 12th... got us into a top 4 race in 2 years.


You keep mentioning this 12th place bits it’s kinda irrelevant, we weren’t a 12th place team, we were only there because of circumstances at that particular point in time.

He actually took over a team who were 5th the season before.



We were a 12th place team because we were 12th.
Your argument is like saying a manager who takes over a team bottom of the league and saves them from relegation didn't really save them because they were mid table the season before - or Tuchel did nothing in the league last year when he took Chelsea from 10th to 4th because Chelsea finished 4th the season before. Nonsense.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Salibatelli » Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:36 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Nuggets wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Santi wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:17 years since our last title and we’re being sold a “long term” plan, think 17 years is long enough to have got us competitive again, what we’re seeing is no progress or progress at a snails pace whilst spending vast fortunes.

In terms of value for money it’s pretty poor.



Then your anger should be aimed at the one guy who’s been here the whole time.

Mikel has had 2 of those 17 years.


Yep - and so far he's doing better than I expected getting us out of the mess the club was in.

Yep 2 8th places in 2 years is progress, out of Europe he is on a roll.lol


Took over in 12th... got us into a top 4 race in 2 years.


You keep mentioning this 12th place bits it’s kinda irrelevant, we weren’t a 12th place team, we were only there because of circumstances at that particular point in time.

He actually took over a team who were 5th the season before.



We were a 12th place team because we were 12th.
Your argument is like saying a manager who takes over a team bottom of the league and saves them from relegation didn't really save them because they were mid table the season before - or Tuchel did nothing in the league last year when he took Chelsea from 10th to 4th because Chelsea finished 4th the season before. Nonsense.


It’s not a real position because the reality is Emery lost the team, it wasn’t an accurate reflection of where we were as a club, either way though 12th - 8th in half a season isn’t much progress especially when you were 5th the season before and narrowly missed out on the CL.

Then he was 8th in the following season and got outfoxed in the EL by Emery.

Tuchel won the biggest competition in club football but also 4th place comes with CL qualification, 8th doesn’t.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:00 pm

Salibatelli wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Nuggets wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Santi wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:17 years since our last title and we’re being sold a “long term” plan, think 17 years is long enough to have got us competitive again, what we’re seeing is no progress or progress at a snails pace whilst spending vast fortunes.

In terms of value for money it’s pretty poor.



Then your anger should be aimed at the one guy who’s been here the whole time.

Mikel has had 2 of those 17 years.


Yep - and so far he's doing better than I expected getting us out of the mess the club was in.

Yep 2 8th places in 2 years is progress, out of Europe he is on a roll.lol


Took over in 12th... got us into a top 4 race in 2 years.


You keep mentioning this 12th place bits it’s kinda irrelevant, we weren’t a 12th place team, we were only there because of circumstances at that particular point in time.

He actually took over a team who were 5th the season before.



We were a 12th place team because we were 12th.
Your argument is like saying a manager who takes over a team bottom of the league and saves them from relegation didn't really save them because they were mid table the season before - or Tuchel did nothing in the league last year when he took Chelsea from 10th to 4th because Chelsea finished 4th the season before. Nonsense.


It’s not a real position because the reality is Emery lost the team, it wasn’t an accurate reflection of where we were as a club, either way though 12th - 8th in half a season isn’t much progress especially when you were 5th the season before and narrowly missed out on the CL.

Then he was 8th in the following season and got outfoxed in the EL by Emery.

Tuchel won the biggest competition in club football but also 4th place comes with CL qualification, 8th doesn’t.


I can assure you it was real. 11th or 12th as I recall.
From there to challenging for CL places whilst overseeing a major overhaul to the squad and a complete culture change in the club. Mightily impressive for a rookie manager and shows a lot of positive signs as we move forward. I think we are seeing why he is was so highly rated by City.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Salibatelli » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:16 pm

It wasn’t, we were there due to extraordinary circumstances, the team was better than that, as I said they almost got 4th the season before (in face we should have got 4th but just collapsed again).

When a manager loses a team they collapse, we’ve sent it many times.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:57 pm

Salibatelli wrote:It wasn’t, we were there due to extraordinary circumstances, the team was better than that, as I said they almost got 4th the season before (in face we should have got 4th but just collapsed again).

When a manager loses a team they collapse, we’ve sent it many times.


Whatever the circumstances we WERE there.
That's just the reality - Arteta took over a team in collapse and 11th or 12th in the league.
In just two years he has us challenging for the Champions League places and has already won a trophy.

You can try to explain that away but it IS reality.
There's nothing you can do or say to change it.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Salibatelli » Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:12 pm

It’s not, we’re we’re a 5th place team as indicated by our finishing position the season before, that’s what matters.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Santi » Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:38 pm

Funny how the position was real when Arteta had us in 12th or 14th though..?

Not real when it suits being against the manager. Hmm.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:58 pm

Santi wrote:Funny how the position was real when Arteta had us in 12th or 14th though..?

Not real when it suits being against the manager. Hmm.


Yup.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby Ach » Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:54 pm

That's it surely

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Re: Arteta Out

Postby alexafc12 » Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:56 pm

His tactics were utterly appalling today.

Tried the exact thing that didn't work last year and expected a different result.

Why did we start pumping crosses into the box when we were never going to out compete Burnley's back 4.

Eddie the tap in merchant comes on an plays on the wing, dropping deep to get possession.

Shocking all around today.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:58 pm

alexafc12 wrote:His tactics were utterly appalling today.

Tried the exact thing that didn't work last year and expected a different result.

Why did we start pumping crosses into the box when we were never going to out compete Burnley's back 4.

Eddie the tap in merchant comes on an plays on the wing, dropping deep to get possession.

Shocking all around today.


We dominated the ball and created a whole host of chances and took none of them.

Every time we don't win, TICTACS. Armchair experts are out in force telling us what we should have done.

There is only ONE thing we should have done differently - put the ball in the back of the net with the chances we created.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby alexafc12 » Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:00 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:His tactics were utterly appalling today.

Tried the exact thing that didn't work last year and expected a different result.

Why did we start pumping crosses into the box when we were never going to out compete Burnley's back 4.

Eddie the tap in merchant comes on an plays on the wing, dropping deep to get possession.

Shocking all around today.


We dominated the ball and created a whole host of chances and took none of them.

Every time we don't win, TICTACS. Armchair experts are out in force telling us what we should have done.

There is only ONE thing we should have done differently - put the ball in the back of the net with the chances we created.


Give it a rest buddy.
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Re: Arteta Out

Postby DiamondGooner » Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:02 pm

Formation doesn't work, leaves our attacking players isolated and we have CAM's who just float the ball around.

No finishing, no final ball.

Arteta has proved he can't put an offense together, he's only good at structuring a defense.

We can't not be able to attack, hapless against a team headed for relegation at the bottom of the league.

Leave the club, chasing a Vlahovic to come and save you yet he doesn't want to come and be a part of your shambles so now your just wasting precious time in the window.

Can't believe the club have allowed Arteta to induldge himself pursuing this shtty formation like he's some sort of cheque book manager who can buy what he needs instead of playing to our strengths.

That was truly a disgusting performance where we only tried properly for one half ................

I'm beyond embarrassed and disappointed, possibly the worst result of the season alongside Brenford and Everton.
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