theHotHead wrote:Arsenal FC:League Champions - 13 times
League Cup winners - 2 times
FA Cup Winners - 14 times
UEFA CWC winners - 1 time
UEFA Fairs Cup - 1 time
Total - 31 major honoursChelsea:League Champions - 6 times
FA Cup Winners - 8 times
League Cup Winners - 5 times
UEFA CL Winners - 1 time
UEFA EL Winners - 2 times
UEFA CWC Winners - 2 times
UEFA Super Cup Winners - 1 time
Total - 25 major honoursTo be honest I thought there was much more daylight between us
Their European honours puts them on a par with us as it stands ......... A Chelsea CL win would be curtains for us.
Of course. They've won 14 trophies since we moved to the Emirates as compared to our 4 FA Cups.
We are a domestic giant and will remain so. But as things stand, they are catching up on us. While they continue to invest and hire ambitious managers, we waste money and hire mediocre managers, who arrive with a sense of misplaced superiority.
The same Unai Emery who couldn't beat Arsenal in the UCL with his decorated PSG walks in and tries to make a statement on how the club should be run; shows how he is big daddy by alienating Ozil. Arteta arrives and acts like he is out savior and is here to take Arsenal to its rightful place—behind Man City. Wasn't he on City's bench when we beat them in the FA Cup SF?
No club allows some two-dollar manager to come in and shit on the club. We allowed it twice. And, the managers were... A man who had been bullied out of PSG and a man who hadn't managed at all!
These Arsenal owners have no idea how big we are. If they did, Arteta would have been sacked by December. If they did, they wouldn't be afraid of hiring world class managers.
Under the Kroenkes, I can only see Arsenal plummetting further. They have no idea how historic this club is and they've enabled people like Mikel and Edu to treat the club as a circus project.
swipe right wrote:The best players no longer play at Arsenal. Even when we weren’t winning, players like Cesc, RvP, Ozil, Sanchez, Cazorla were the best players in their respective positions. That’s no longer the case and therefore we are no longer a big club. Size of stadium and fan base accounts for little. The latter will slowly dwindle as the next gen of fans won’t choose us.
For over a decade, even at the Emirates, we were the hipster club because we played such attacking, beautiful football, and were the
nearly there club.
As you said, between '06 and '16, we had Cesc, van Persie, Rosicky, Ozil, Cazorla, and Alexis, who were top class players, world class players. Even Messi wanted to join us as late as in 2016 if the contract with Barca hadn't worked out.
Today, we barely have any world class players. Even if one would consider last season's Auba a worldie, he's no Ozil/Cesc/Alexis/van Persie. We don't play attractive football anymore. We're not even in Europe. The 180 this club has taken since the days of Wenger has accelerated our downfall.
You hit the nail on the head when you wrote about the new generation of fans not being enamored by Arsenal.
Even when we weren't winning trophies after we moved to the Emirates, we were lot more attractive than almost every Italian side despite Serie A being the crown jewel of the 90s.
If Chelsea and City didn't bulldoze the league, a hell lot of players like Aguero, Hazard, Silva, Yaya, etc., would most likely be Gunners.
We are a bigger club than Chelsea. We will remain so even if they win a second UCL. But that doesn't mean we will continue to remain bigger than them. The size and aura of a club is more than trophies. We have the history, we have the fanbase, we have those incredible successes. But it won't last forever. Not under this administration. Not under these owners. Definitely not with this manager.
Özim wrote:I think we’re a club of also fans living on former glories, the reality is we have won a PL since 2004, that’s 17 years, we’ve never won the CL, in that time Chelsea have won several leagues and the CL.
As dumb as I think most Gooners are, I think that's one thing we're not hung up on. We do love to cherish our history, and rightfully so, but compared to those Scousers or ManU fans, we're a lot better on that regard.
You have ManU fans bringing up history everytime anyone criticizes them. Liverpool won one League title and all of sudden, the storyline asked if it's the greatest league campaign in Prem history.
I can't think of a more obnoxious bunch than those Liverpool fans.
People love to accuse City and Chelsea of buying those countless titles and trophies. But by God, it was ManU who got that first break in the Sky-era of the Premier League. They wanted ManU and Liverpool to be the domestic versions of Barca and Real. Only party poopers, Arsenal, crashed the party and changed English football.
Gooners are dumb in a lot of ways, but they're not proud custodians—even stupidly so—of their history.
We've been hated by pundits and media. We were hated when we reached the UCL Final. For those imbeciles, we were always the foreign club. When we were fighting for top-4, they made a joke out of us. Today, Chelsea and Liverpool squeeze into the top-4 on the final day of the season, and it's like they've won a trophy.