Benjamin White (4)

[jayramfootball]

Agenda

Shattered, after 3 games, come back in 2 years pal!

White has been underwhelming so far considering his fee, some good some bad, has a lot to learn clearly.

Keep digging.
We have to lose now in order for you to maintain your agenda, which seems to be your aim.
What an awful position.

Kind of like you lighting candles and praying Auba misses.

Nope.
My last two matchday ratings for Auba:

Against Spurs

Aubameyang - 9 - MOTM second game in a row where he worked tirelessly... PLUS he was aggressive in the air winning a lot of headers. PLus the Goal. Bravo.

Against Burnley

Aubameyang - 7 - Having rewatched the game. the guy ran his socks off and also helped defensively. But for some shockingly bad final balls that should have gone to him, he'd have had at least 2 one on ones with the keeper

My agenda is always for Arsenal to win.
If players play poorly - I will say so, if they play well, I will say so.
If the manager does well (which he has been doing for months now), I will say so, if he does poorly, I will say so.
Very simple.

The ONLY agenda on this forum is an anti-Arteta agenda which permeates every discussion and that is why the only hope for these people is for us to lose.
Again - what a shit position to be in.

[Salibatelli]

No your agenda is to find ways to back Arteta (and everything the club does) in any way possible, that’s why you’ve always shifted almost all the blame on the players but are howevever only too happy to come on here and praise Artetas work at every opportunity.

Any normal Arsenal fan would not resort to pointless stats and actually use what they’ve seen on the pitch as evidence, most will logically say it’s not been very good at all.

The Spurs match has been one of the few exceptions, most of our performances have been tepid and results hard work.

We did improve a bit after we got knocked out of the EL when the pressure was off, but we had nothing to play for which made it much easier.

Arteta has been very underwhelming, producing some of our worst results, football and league positions for many many years, yet you spin it as if he’s been doing well for a while which is clearly absolutely rubbish.

[jayramfootball]

No your agenda is to find ways to back Arteta (and everything the club does) in any way possible, that’s why you’ve always shifted almost all the blame on the players but are howevever only too happy to come on here and praise Artetas work at every opportunity.

Any normal Arsenal fan would not resort to pointless stats and actually use what they’ve seen on the pitch as evidence, most will logically say it’s not been very good at all.

The Spurs match has been one of the few exceptions, most of our performances have been tepid and results hard work.

We did improve a bit after we got knocked out of the EL when the pressure was off, but we had nothing to play for which made it much easier.

Arteta has been very underwhelming, producing some of our worst results, football and league positions for many many years, yet you spin it as if he’s been doing well for a while which is clearly absolutely rubbish.

The players are always the major reason why a team wins or loses.
Never changed that view.

You - and some others - have made the discussion about Arteta. Not me.
Under your criteria, your agenda is in tatters.

The team is - and has been for some time - on good form. .. and now a real team is forming, playing for each other. Good character, great attitudes.
Our signings are spot on. You boxed youself into a corner because you said it was all about the manager.

So, it's not me ripping your agenda to shreds and leaving you defenceless, it's Arteta and the players he has signed that you have been slagging off.
I sincerely hope they continue to do so, whilst you do not. You hope they fail. That is the position you have got yourself into.

You can still climb out of the pit you made for yourself and give credit where it is due and actually enjoy things like winning the NLD, but you seem intent on digging deeper.

[Ach]

Tenth place is good form apparently.

[Salibatelli]

No your agenda is to find ways to back Arteta (and everything the club does) in any way possible, that’s why you’ve always shifted almost all the blame on the players but are howevever only too happy to come on here and praise Artetas work at every opportunity.

Any normal Arsenal fan would not resort to pointless stats and actually use what they’ve seen on the pitch as evidence, most will logically say it’s not been very good at all.

The Spurs match has been one of the few exceptions, most of our performances have been tepid and results hard work.

We did improve a bit after we got knocked out of the EL when the pressure was off, but we had nothing to play for which made it much easier.

Arteta has been very underwhelming, producing some of our worst results, football and league positions for many many years, yet you spin it as if he’s been doing well for a while which is clearly absolutely rubbish.

The players are always the major reason why a team wins or loses.
Never changed that view.

You - and some others - have made the discussion about Arteta. Not me.
Under your criteria, your agenda is in tatters.

The team is - and has been for some time - on good form. .. and now a real team is forming, playing for each other. Good character, great attitudes.
Our signings are spot on. You boxed youself into a corner because you said it was all about the manager.

So, it's not me ripping your agenda to shreds and leaving you defenceless, it's Arteta and the players he has signed that you have been slagging off.
I sincerely hope they continue to do so, whilst you do not. You hope they fail. That is the position you have got yourself into.

I don’t agree or manager wouldn’t get paid huge amount and have a tangible impact when they are changed.

Players need a manager to get them playing as a team, to create a winning mentality and get the tactics and style right. The manager also needs to bring in the right personnel, he’s has a huge impact.

Whilst players clearly influence results, when players aren’t happy or not being played to their strengths it has a massive impact on their effectiveness, managers have a huge say in both those things.

I’ve seen the difference between an average manager and a top manager countless times, top managers sort out things to allow the team to play to their strengths and bring the best out of them, they also know what it takes to build a decent team.

They have the most influence over results as they are the ones that choose everything, lineups, subs, tactics, style, formations, type of coaching, who to sign and what positions.

Players only go on the pitch and play of the manager allows them to and also plays to their strengths.

Just look at what Klopp did at Liverpool, he transformed them, that’s not down to the players.

[jayramfootball]

No your agenda is to find ways to back Arteta (and everything the club does) in any way possible, that’s why you’ve always shifted almost all the blame on the players but are howevever only too happy to come on here and praise Artetas work at every opportunity.

Any normal Arsenal fan would not resort to pointless stats and actually use what they’ve seen on the pitch as evidence, most will logically say it’s not been very good at all.

The Spurs match has been one of the few exceptions, most of our performances have been tepid and results hard work.

We did improve a bit after we got knocked out of the EL when the pressure was off, but we had nothing to play for which made it much easier.

Arteta has been very underwhelming, producing some of our worst results, football and league positions for many many years, yet you spin it as if he’s been doing well for a while which is clearly absolutely rubbish.

The players are always the major reason why a team wins or loses.
Never changed that view.

You - and some others - have made the discussion about Arteta. Not me.
Under your criteria, your agenda is in tatters.

The team is - and has been for some time - on good form. .. and now a real team is forming, playing for each other. Good character, great attitudes.
Our signings are spot on. You boxed youself into a corner because you said it was all about the manager.

So, it's not me ripping your agenda to shreds and leaving you defenceless, it's Arteta and the players he has signed that you have been slagging off.
I sincerely hope they continue to do so, whilst you do not. You hope they fail. That is the position you have got yourself into.

I don’t agree or manager wouldn’t get paid huge amount and have a tangible impact when they are changed.

Players need a manager to get them playing as a team, to create a winning mentality and get the tactics and style right. The manager also needs to bring in the right personnel, he’s has a huge impact.

Whilst players clearly influence results, when players aren’t happy or not being played to their strengths it has a massive impact on their effectiveness, managers have a huge say in both those things.

I’ve seen the difference between an average manager and a top manager countless times, top managers sort out things to allow the team to play to their strengths and bring the best out of them, they also know what it takes to build a decent team.

They have the most influence over results as they are the ones that choose everything, lineups, subs, tactics, style, formations, type of coaching, who to sign and what positions.

Players only go on the pitch and play of the manager allows them to and also plays to their strengths.

I know we don't agree - which is why it is Arteta (and the players he signed that you have been slagging off) that are shredding your agenda.

[ag6789]

Most managers allow capable experienced players to their bit and even more, because that benefits the team. Only novices and inexperienced players are given strict instructions, otherwise they might feel disoriented and confused. Also under special circumstances, when it is needed to close out a game or chase a game some players are given certain roles.
So, the manager always controls the players is totally incorrect.
Whether a manager is performing or not is seen from the intensity and dedication of a player. Whether he wholeheartedly approaches his roles.
In that regard, last three games should be a credit to both Arteta and the players.
First two, we now know was probably due to the sudden COVID breakout that left the team shorthanded , confused, and low in morale.
The MC game came too early for a group ( number of newcomers) trying to gel.

[jayramfootball]

Most managers allow capable experienced players to their bit and even more, because that benefits the team. Only novices and inexperienced players are given strict instructions, otherwise they might feel disoriented and confused. Also under special circumstances, when it is needed to close out a game or chase a game some players are given certain roles.
So, the manager always controls the players is totally incorrect.
Whether a manager is performing or not is seen from the intensity and dedication of a player. Whether he wholeheartedly approaches his roles.
In that regard, last three games should be a credit to both Arteta and the players.
First two, we now know was probably due to the sudden COVID breakout that left the team shorthanded , confused, and low in morale.
The MC game came too early for a group ( number of newcomers) trying to gel.

The only time a manager controls the players is when it's a game of FIFA.
I swear that is where a lot of this thinking comes from.

The players have always been the primary reason a team is successful or not, otherwise you could just hire a manager to coach any old shite and make them champions. Norwich would still likely be relegated if Klopp managed them.

Here's a good question for those that think it's all down to the manager.. who is responsible for Tomiyasu looking so good early in his Arsenal career... Arteta? Or Tomiyasu himself? Or, who is responsible for Auba lifting his performances in the last 3 games? Arteta? Or Auba?

[Nuggets]

in that case our win against spurs has nothing to do with arteta

glad that got cleared up lol

[Nuggets]

No your agenda is to find ways to back Arteta (and everything the club does) in any way possible, that’s why you’ve always shifted almost all the blame on the players but are howevever only too happy to come on here and praise Artetas work at every opportunity.

Any normal Arsenal fan would not resort to pointless stats and actually use what they’ve seen on the pitch as evidence, most will logically say it’s not been very good at all.

The Spurs match has been one of the few exceptions, most of our performances have been tepid and results hard work.

We did improve a bit after we got knocked out of the EL when the pressure was off, but we had nothing to play for which made it much easier.

Arteta has been very underwhelming, producing some of our worst results, football and league positions for many many years, yet you spin it as if he’s been doing well for a while which is clearly absolutely rubbish.

Truer words were ever spoken.

[Santi]

Really is quite funny, some people do seem like they’d be happier with us doing shit because they don’t like the guy in charge

Won the NLD and yet still all this trash in every thread...madness.

[Ach]

Harry Maguire injured. Not in the England squad. Who's next in line?

Not Ben White. Dear God

[Ach]

Yup. Tomori is in.

Stones has barely played this season. He's in.

Not looking good for our White. Needs to fix up

[jayramfootball]

I suspect a starting place for BW for England is in his future, but for now, no problem at all that he doesn't have to travel.
He can focus 100% on Arsenal and avoid injury and / or Covid from travels during the international break and continue his excellent form for us.

Same with ESR, who was not called up (but Mason Mount is in and Sancho ).

[Salibatelli]

Hasn’t impressed since he arrived overall so it’s only natural he doesn’t get picked for the England squad, behind quite a few others now.

Can’t believe we paid 50 million for a guy who can’t get into the England squad, he should be a regular at that price.

We really overpaid massively, but we knew that already.