by CrimsonGunner11 » Wed May 25, 2022 1:54 pm
by Est83 » Wed May 25, 2022 2:30 pm
by alexafc12 » Wed May 25, 2022 2:51 pm
by UFGN » Wed May 25, 2022 3:08 pm
Est83 wrote:Different landscape. Impossible to reach peak Wenger era again as long as there are oil rich clubs.
by Est83 » Wed May 25, 2022 3:24 pm
by EliteKiller » Wed May 25, 2022 3:25 pm
by Rockape » Wed May 25, 2022 3:26 pm
by UFGN » Wed May 25, 2022 3:44 pm
Est83 wrote:I suppose it depends how we define "great".
But yea, fair point, we've got the infrastructure and wealth to be competing, no doubt. But "great" for me implies a period of dominance, and I feel these oil rich clubs can put a stop to that immediately.
by Hypergooner » Wed May 25, 2022 5:39 pm
alexafc12 wrote:Not true. Liverpool have shown the way.
After years of crappy recruitment they started making smart moves in the market whilst bringing through academy talent. Most importantly they knew when and how to move players on.
As good as Klopp has been for them, their recruitment team and transfer team(s) deserves huge credit. Bringing through the likes of Mane, Salah, Jota, Diaz, Firmino, Robertson, Matip under the radar / for reasonable amounts.
And, at the same time getting huge sums for Suarez and Coutinho, they're also able to shift unwanted players and youth for hefty fees. Whilst at the same time we have been literally paying our top value players to leave and letting the unwanted ones run down their deals. Close to £150m from the below ...
Awoniyi - 6.5m
Wilson - 12.5m
Lovren - 10m
Solanke - 20m
Ward - 12.5m
Sakho - 25m
Benteke - 30m
Ibe - 16m
Allen - 15m
by UFGN » Wed May 25, 2022 6:05 pm
Gooners wrote:UFGN wrote:Est83 wrote:Different landscape. Impossible to reach peak Wenger era again as long as there are oil rich clubs.
Leicester. And we have bigger resources than them.
This club has at no point in history been the biggest in the country, every time it has won the league it has had to do so against a richer and stronger club
But the Leicester thing is just an anomaly. What have they done ever since winning the league back then? Has they all of a sudden become a great club since winning the title in 2016?
Throwing in the odd anecdote (Leicester) is a bit .
We need a bigger sample size than just one anomaly that has not been repeated ever since? How many decades did it take between a small club like Blackburn winning the EPL in 1994-95 to another small club Leicester winning it in 2015-16?
That does not give me any confidence that it can be done that way.. The Leicester EPL title win is not a good sample size.. If we always get medium sized clubs like Blackburn or Leicester winning the Title every other season then I would accept the Leicester example etc as a great example. But it was just a lucky season for them where everything lined up. It was like a lottery ticket win for them in my opinion. Because once the likes of Chelsea, City, Liverpool etc got their crap together that was it for Leicester as a serious title challenger..
by themessiah » Wed May 25, 2022 6:14 pm
by UFGN » Wed May 25, 2022 6:30 pm
themessiah wrote:Unless another leicester city like season happens . Forget about the league title tbf. But we have to win the Europe league. We have only won Cup Winners Cup (which would now be equivalent conferences league). The club’s record in Europe is embarrassing.
by Marsbar100 » Wed May 25, 2022 6:35 pm
by Salibatelli » Wed May 25, 2022 6:46 pm
by Hypergooner » Wed May 25, 2022 9:55 pm
Salibatelli wrote:The Cup Winners cup was a great competition and second to the European cup, it the UEFA cup was also good but of course you didn’t need to win anything to qualify.
I’m not sure why they’ve changed the format, they should have a tournament just for cup winners again because you have to win something to qualify (unless you’re beaten in the final by someone who has qualified for the CL) which gives it extra value.