Will Arsenal ever be great again?

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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby LMAO » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:28 pm

Royal Gooner wrote:When we get an owner who will spend.

That will Make Arsenal Great Again (we really should have Trump-style hats with that on)


Arsenal has the third highest (lowest?) net spend over the past five seasons at -$406.67 million. Only United (-$585.50 million) and City (-$511.51 million) have spent more.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby Salibatelli » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:47 pm

It’s not just about spending it’s about caring about what happens on the pitch, the owners don’t, consequently we won’t be successful.

You’ve seen it for many years where they’ve accepted substandard performance.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby Nuggets » Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:32 am

When we get a new owner and manager
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:07 pm

Lack of an experienced, mature DOF has cost us. Edu is a nice guy that doesn't know how to push back against Arteta. He sanctioned too many loans and too few sales, leaving us with a threadbare squad.

As much of a d***head as Gazidis was, he could sell well. We made £80m selling Ox, Walcott and Giroud, 3 players who had nothing left to offer us.

Edu can't even manage to shift Eddie to Palace for £10m.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby Goonerred » Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:13 pm

Salibatelli wrote:It’s not just about spending it’s about caring about what happens on the pitch, the owners don’t, consequently we won’t be successful.

You’ve seen it for many years where they’ve accepted substandard performance.

In a nutshell.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby KG3 » Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:42 pm

Not under Arteta
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby RowdyRoddyPoppins » Mon Jan 31, 2022 1:45 pm

KG3 wrote:Not under Arteta




Not under the Kroenkes. They hired this guy. They are the ones who set the level of ambition.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:14 pm

Starting to think Kroenke's master plan is to expand his soccer empire in the US, using what's left of Arsenal's stature as the anchor. Amazon documentary will be the first step towards re-branding the club. Not as a historic European club with multiple domestic trophies playing attractive football, but closer to a scrappy 'Sunderland til I die' small-time underdog club.

I genuinely don't think European football is being targeted, outside of maybe a Super League comeback. Top 4 is a nice to have, not a need to have. We're cutting wages dramatically, and even more so by buying MLS pubbers like we're in the Championship and can't do any better.

Americans don't care about European football. Evening kickoff times in Europe are working hours in North America. I'm Canadian and before WFH, I could never watch CL/EL games live. Had to sneak a peek at my phone 20x an hour.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby Ach » Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:16 pm

In 45 minutes we become the jokes
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby Fran Solo » Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:40 pm

Vlahovic doesn't want to be here and make sure we know about it.
Guimares doesn't want to be here and even make a video about it.
A hospital permanent resident like Dembele has rejected us.
A non scoring striker like Morata has rejected us.
Even Nketiah has rejected a new contract.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby PairyGrows » Wed May 25, 2022 10:51 am

A fan asked Granit Xhaka what we'd say on the day of the North London derby, to which Xhaka replied, "we don't speak, we do". That's an astonishing statement because the opposite is true; all we do is talk and never deliver.

Arsenal fans are stuck in a cycle. We go into the summer full of hope, but we always underperform in some way. Then we start positioning ourselves into taking the next step, but when the moment comes to step up and be counted, we fall apart. Alternatively, our season collapses right at the start, and there may be a consolation prize at the end in the form of an FA Cup. Either way, we make excuses for failing to deliver. We rationalise failure as a necessary part of some project, and we load all our expectations into next season. Rinse and repeat.

All this stems from a fundamental lack of ambition from the top and clever management of fan sentiment. Evidently, there is no drive to win titles coming from the top; everything is secondary to making decent revenue with minimal investment. That's why they sell a dream of a glorious future to the fans and rebrand it consistently to make it seem as though the club is actually striving towards something great. For fans starved of big silverware, this doesn't appear to be a hard sell.

Before we can truly set our sights on bigger and better things, we need to get rid of this toxic culture. We must stop making excuses, call failure what it is and start demanding success. Then and only then can we start correcting our course.

If we don't, we can keep talking about next season.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby UFGN » Wed May 25, 2022 11:52 am

PairyGrows wrote:A fan asked Granit Xhaka what we'd say on the day of the North London derby, to which Xhaka replied, "we don't speak, we do". That's an astonishing statement because the opposite is true; all we do is talk and never deliver.

Arsenal fans are stuck in a cycle. We go into the summer full of hope, but we always underperform in some way. Then we start positioning ourselves into taking the next step, but when the moment comes to step up and be counted, we fall apart. Alternatively, our season collapses right at the start, and there may be a consolation prize at the end in the form of an FA Cup. Either way, we make excuses for failing to deliver. We rationalise failure as a necessary part of some project, and we load all our expectations into next season. Rinse and repeat.

All this stems from a fundamental lack of ambition from the top and clever management of fan sentiment. Evidently, there is no drive to win titles coming from the top; everything is secondary to making decent revenue with minimal investment. That's why they sell a dream of a glorious future to the fans and rebrand it consistently to make it seem as though the club is actually striving towards something great. For fans starved of big silverware, this doesn't appear to be a hard sell.

Before we can truly set our sights on bigger and better things, we need to get rid of this toxic culture. We must stop making excuses, call failure what it is and start demanding success. Then and only then can we start correcting our course.

If we don't, we can keep talking about next season.



Very much agreed with most of that. Especially the bold bit.

It is unacceptable for fans of this club to just come along for the view. It is a responsibility. If you want to be mindlessly entertained, go watch a Disney movie. I have written many times on here about the club's great history and the duty of fans to honour that history by holding the club's leaders to account.

However the FA cup is a great part of our club's identity and is never, ever a consolation prize. Our founder Mr Danskin listened to our first FA cup final on the radio as he lay terminally ill. It is fitting that we have the most FA cups and that we should strive for more of them.
Corinthians 15:57; But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus

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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby RowdyRoddyPoppins » Wed May 25, 2022 12:50 pm

I dont think we will ever be great again.

The rot set in under Wenger and has now embedded itself into our very core. Look how we perform against the top top teams in England and abroad. We dont just lose we often get absolutely BATTERED!!

We may have a very rich history of winning trophies but in terms of ambition, perception and presentation we are at best the 5th biggest club in England. Throw in the other sides of Europe , we arent even in the top 10.

Clubs who are 'greater' than Arsenal in 2022-
Man City
Man Utd
Chelsea
Liverpool
Bayern
Dortmund
AC Milan
Inter
Juventus
Real
Atletico
Barca
PSG
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby alexafc12 » Wed May 25, 2022 1:37 pm

Wenger left us with a squad that needed work but we still had the likes of Auba, Laca, Ozil, Ramsey and £200m in the coffers for transfers which was a good foundation to build on.

Our transfer dealings since were the major issue. Unai spent big money and a few years later not one of those players is in the starting line up.

The likes of Torreira, Luiz, Pepe, Sokratis, Leno, Saliba, Guen, Mari and loan fees for Suarez and Ceballos cost close to £200m. Yet a few years later and not one player is in the first team. That's shocking recruitment.

If we'd have spent the money better the below team could have been padded out very nicely and formed a very competitive squad. Hindsight but anyway ... £200m across the same period would have gotten us:


Martinez

Cancelo (35m) Soyuncu (20m) Koscielny Bernat (5m)

Fabinho (40m) Ramsey

Mahrez (60m) Ozil Auba

Jimenez (£40m)


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Cech
Laca
Miki
Mustafi
Elneny
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby Rockape » Wed May 25, 2022 1:50 pm

As per my post on the Summer transfer window.......how can we be great again when we can't compete for the best players? We simply don't have the money that other Clubs have, so will be relying on judicious buying, smart management, with a bit of Alchemy thrown in, to win anything!
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