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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby theHotHead » Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:41 pm

But Edu only joined in 2019 and he said when he joined and he heard the expectations he was not having a bar of it !

2019, thats only 3 full seasons, looks like ripping up the old culture is something he is driving, so kudos to him for that and that will take time to fully accomplish.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby swipe right » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:10 pm

theHotHead wrote:But Edu only joined in 2019 and he said when he joined and he heard the expectations he was not having a bar of it !

2019, thats only 3 full seasons, looks like ripping up the old culture is something he is driving, so kudos to him for that and that will take time to fully accomplish.

Remind me what Edu has accomplished since 2004.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby 22-0 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:33 pm

Fooling some people on this forums prob his biggest achievement.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby ag6789 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:41 pm

Edu is doing a different job than what he did in 2004. Whether a team will succeed or not largely depends on the owners. When or if they are driven things start to happen. If the Ks now think it is time for Arsenal to get to the top after their other two franchises, then they will empower Edu to get us to the next level. So it is only so far Edu ( or any one else in his position) can go on his own.
Looks like finally Ks are serious this time with the money they are spending in spite of the layout last summer. So looking forward for real competition w/'pool and MC. Fingers crossed.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby Angelito » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:13 pm

He revealed: “With all due respect, the project really started when we decided to change Unai.

“That was my first planning, to go to the board and explain the reason to go in a different direction. We needed to have a coach with a very clear plan and structure of how he wanted the team to play.

“It makes our life super complicated if it’s difficult to read how a coach wants to play.

“That’s when you can make mistakes with recruitment. It’s not easy to find the right players if we don’t really understand the system and characteristics.

“That’s when you can make mistakes with recruitment. It’s not easy to find the right players if we don’t really understand the system and characteristics.

“We had to be really brave to change the coach in the middle of the season because a lot of internal people were telling me, ‘We’ve never done that before’.

“But if you’ve diagnosed that change is necessary, the decision has to be made quickly. It hurts but don’t postpone something that must be done.


Brutal.

He basically threw Unai under the bus, but it had to be done, I'm afraid.

It's time to live up to these cold words now. Please, just, no more excuses now. It's time to deliver. Top-4/EL would be a start.

Arsenal and Spurs are favorites for top-4 over Chelsea and ManU this season. No more screw-ups, please.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby theHotHead » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:24 pm

He's kinda said it needs to happen this season too (getting top 4), reading between the lines !!! Arteta has nowhere to hide this season and seeing as it was Edu that gave him the job he too will be affected by missing our target - again.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby starmandb » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:54 pm

Angelito wrote:
He revealed: “With all due respect, the project really started when we decided to change Unai.

“That was my first planning, to go to the board and explain the reason to go in a different direction. We needed to have a coach with a very clear plan and structure of how he wanted the team to play.

“It makes our life super complicated if it’s difficult to read how a coach wants to play.

“That’s when you can make mistakes with recruitment. It’s not easy to find the right players if we don’t really understand the system and characteristics.

“That’s when you can make mistakes with recruitment. It’s not easy to find the right players if we don’t really understand the system and characteristics.

“We had to be really brave to change the coach in the middle of the season because a lot of internal people were telling me, ‘We’ve never done that before’.

“But if you’ve diagnosed that change is necessary, the decision has to be made quickly. It hurts but don’t postpone something that must be done.


Brutal.

He basically threw Unai under the bus, but it had to be done, I'm afraid.

It's time to live up to these cold words now. Please, just, no more excuses now. It's time to deliver. Top-4/EL would be a start.

Arsenal and Spurs are favorites for top-4 over Chelsea and ManU this season. No more screw-ups, please.

You can get 40/1 on arsenal winning the title
The best you can get on Chelsea is 18/1
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby ag6789 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:05 pm

Odds must have changed after the recent additions.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby starmandb » Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:59 pm

ag6789 wrote:Odds must have changed after the recent additions.

No additions since 5-13 pm today
Those are the odds now
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Mon Jul 25, 2022 9:51 pm

Currently, us and Spurs are the clubs best positioned for 3rd/4th place.

Ten Hag has failed to bring in the Ajax players he wanted at Utd. Martinez was second choice to Jurrien Timber, and de Jong prefers to stay at Barca. Ronaldo is trying to move to Atletico.

Chelsea have lost their top 2 CBs, and lost Raphinha and maybe also Kounde to Barca. They only brought in Raheem Sterling, but are still bereft in attack due to Lukaku departure and Werner out of favour. Their team is worse than last year's. They were an embarrassment in our pre-season game, and Tuchel said as much

There really is no excuse this year to not return to the CL.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby Reiss » Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:05 pm

Under Arteta we have the greatest chance of being great again.

Our best manager since Highbury Wengz.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby starmandb » Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:22 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:Currently, us and Spurs are the clubs best positioned for 3rd/4th place.

Ten Hag has failed to bring in the Ajax players he wanted at Utd. Martinez was second choice to Jurrien Timber, and de Jong prefers to stay at Barca. Ronaldo is trying to move to Atletico.

Chelsea have lost their top 2 CBs, and lost Raphinha and maybe also Kounde to Barca. They only brought in Raheem Sterling, but are still bereft in attack due to Lukaku departure and Werner out of favour. Their team is worse than last year's. They were an embarrassment in our pre-season game, and Tuchel said as much

There really is no excuse this year to not return to the CL.

Wouldn’t dream of making any
I was responding to the assertion we were favourites over Chelsea
The term is a gambling one and based on that we are 5th
Fancied is another matter
I always fancy us
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby PairyGrows » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:46 am

Having finally processed last season, and especially the way it ended, I feel like it’s time to revive this thread (which, admittedly, is a bit of a pet project of mine) and have a bigger picture look at where Arsenal are at the moment.

It’s undeniable we’re in a much better position now than when I started the thread three years ago. The squad, albeit thin due to years of mismanagement, is now in a much better position. We have managed to build a promising, youthful core through promoting academy players as well as uncovering good value at the transfer market. Arteta has proven himself a capable manager who can get a tune out of his players. The connection between the fans and the club has been re-established, and the atmosphere around the club hasn’t been better in a decade.

It’s not all sunshine and rainbows at the Emirates. Signs of bad squad management are starting to creep in again with some of the contracts we’ve been giving out. More concerning is the mentality. This squad has bottled golden opportunities to get Champions League football and win the league in the last two seasons respectively. Bottling can very easily become a part of a team’s DNA especially if the team is comprised largely of young players who don’t know any better.

Where does this lead us? Simply put, this transfer window is pivotal. Whether we get it right or not determines if we’re going to have a chance at becoming great again or if we’re going to settle for mediocrity. We’re no longer engaged in a process whose result is far off in the distance. We need to become the finished article next season or the season after that at the latest, and we need to take that mindset to the market this summer.

We bottled the league badly last season. There’s no two ways about it. We cannot let last season be the peak of “the Process” like 2007-08 was the peak of “Project Youth”. No more excuses. It’s time to deliver.
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby Ach » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:48 am

Another failure next season and Arteta and edu walk
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Re: Will Arsenal ever be great again?

Postby PairyGrows » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:07 am

Ach wrote:Another failure next season and Arteta and edu walk


What would constitute a failure in your books?
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