He will be fine. But the execution of whatever gameplan we deployed left him isolated. Couple that to by far his worst performance for us and you get that steaming pile of poo we just saw.
But he is quality so im not worried, he will be fine.
by theHotHead » Thu May 06, 2021 11:15 pm
by Nejch » Thu May 06, 2021 11:24 pm
by Highbury Hillbilly » Thu May 06, 2021 11:28 pm
Nejch wrote:He needs better players around him, consistent and disciplined tactics in the team with a coach who knows what he's doing and he'll excel.
He's not a player who will stand out and excel in all circumstances. He's a worker bee who will be a reliable hub in a well thought out system with a clear tactical goal in mind.
We're all over the place and most of our players have a shit mentality.
Just imagine coming from a high intensity team like Athletico to this. No wonder he looks lost.
by EliteKiller » Thu May 06, 2021 11:48 pm
Nejch wrote:He needs better players around him, consistent and disciplined tactics in the team with a coach who knows what he's doing and he'll excel.
He's not a player who will stand out and excel in all circumstances. He's a worker bee who will be a reliable hub in a well thought out system with a clear tactical goal in mind.
We're all over the place tactically and most of our players have a shit mentality.
Just imagine coming from a high intensity team like Athletico to this. No wonder he looks lost.
by jayramfootball » Thu May 06, 2021 11:52 pm
EliteKiller wrote:Nejch wrote:He needs better players around him, consistent and disciplined tactics in the team with a coach who knows what he's doing and he'll excel.
He's not a player who will stand out and excel in all circumstances. He's a worker bee who will be a reliable hub in a well thought out system with a clear tactical goal in mind.
We're all over the place tactically and most of our players have a shit mentality.
Just imagine coming from a high intensity team like Athletico to this. No wonder he looks lost.
We paid 50m and pay him 12m a year - how many "better players" can we afford to buy? For that money he should be the stand out, drive them forward, make things happen, player not just a bloody worker bee ....
This is our problem - to many supposed stars on massive wages who still need their nappies changing - that's simply not good enough.
by Alexis » Fri May 07, 2021 9:32 am
by jayramfootball » Fri May 07, 2021 9:35 am
Alexis wrote:This guy was dominating miss against Barca and real. He was motm when atletico kicked Liverpool out of Europe, yet peeps here think he ain't good enough.
He was an absolute baller in the first few games. It's clear he's been arsenalised and has somehow turned shit. It's down to the manager coaching him and asking him to do shite he's not suited for and not having a decent partner beside him.
by Alexis » Fri May 07, 2021 10:15 am
jayramfootball wrote:Alexis wrote:This guy was dominating miss against Barca and real. He was motm when atletico kicked Liverpool out of Europe, yet peeps here think he ain't good enough.
He was an absolute baller in the first few games. It's clear he's been arsenalised and has somehow turned shit. It's down to the manager coaching him and asking him to do shite he's not suited for and not having a decent partner beside him.
I couldn't give a f**k what he has done previously for other clubs.
At PL level he's been poor - for us.
He just doesn't get the time and space he needs at this level - it's not the same as playing in Spain or the CL.
His passing beyond 5 yards when he's under pressure is cack.
His shooting is cack.
His ball-winning is cack.
His ball retention is cack.
I was hoping he would be better next season, but seriously, some of the flaws are glaring and hard to ignore.
by jayramfootball » Fri May 07, 2021 10:22 am
Alexis wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Alexis wrote:This guy was dominating miss against Barca and real. He was motm when atletico kicked Liverpool out of Europe, yet peeps here think he ain't good enough.
He was an absolute baller in the first few games. It's clear he's been arsenalised and has somehow turned shit. It's down to the manager coaching him and asking him to do shite he's not suited for and not having a decent partner beside him.
I couldn't give a f**k what he has done previously for other clubs.
At PL level he's been poor - for us.
He just doesn't get the time and space he needs at this level - it's not the same as playing in Spain or the CL.
His passing beyond 5 yards when he's under pressure is cack.
His shooting is cack.
His ball-winning is cack.
His ball retention is cack.
I was hoping he would be better next season, but seriously, some of the flaws are glaring and hard to ignore.
He absolutely dominated Liverpool in that atletico team. You know the team that was cl champions and went onto win the pl that same season.
Unless you think Liverpool weren't the pinnacle of pl level at the time, then your argument falls flat.
I'm confident he will be good under a manager who actually knows what he's doing and has the track record to back it up.
by billie86 » Fri May 07, 2021 12:10 pm
jayramfootball wrote:Alexis wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Alexis wrote:This guy was dominating miss against Barca and real. He was motm when atletico kicked Liverpool out of Europe, yet peeps here think he ain't good enough.
He was an absolute baller in the first few games. It's clear he's been arsenalised and has somehow turned shit. It's down to the manager coaching him and asking him to do shite he's not suited for and not having a decent partner beside him.
I couldn't give a f**k what he has done previously for other clubs.
At PL level he's been poor - for us.
He just doesn't get the time and space he needs at this level - it's not the same as playing in Spain or the CL.
His passing beyond 5 yards when he's under pressure is cack.
His shooting is cack.
His ball-winning is cack.
His ball retention is cack.
I was hoping he would be better next season, but seriously, some of the flaws are glaring and hard to ignore.
He absolutely dominated Liverpool in that atletico team. You know the team that was cl champions and went onto win the pl that same season.
Unless you think Liverpool weren't the pinnacle of pl level at the time, then your argument falls flat.
I'm confident he will be good under a manager who actually knows what he's doing and has the track record to back it up.
European football is not the same as the PL.
Also, once again, I don't care what he did for another club.
He's going to be 28 in a month. What he did in his earlier career vs Liverpool is irrelevant.
What he did for us THIS year is - and he has been rubbish.
Really don't know why some people pretend that players are good enough. It's a form of denial.
by Highbury Hillbilly » Fri May 07, 2021 12:42 pm
billie86 wrote:
Well looking at a players history shows you if they are good enough, partey has played against the best players in LA Liga and come up against a top Liverpool side in the CL and stood out, even if you say he can't cut it in the EPl why is he looking so out of place against a Spanish side?
Also look at other players, being EPL proven isn't a given either, Alexis Sanchez went from being one of the best players in the EPL with us one season to absolute dross at United, did he really lose all of his talent in the space of 3 months? Doubtful
by EliteKiller » Fri May 07, 2021 1:11 pm
billie86 wrote:Well looking at a players history shows you if they are good enough, partey has played against the best players in LA Liga and come up against a top Liverpool side in the CL and stood out, even if you say he can't cut it in the EPl why is he looking so out of place against a Spanish side?
Also look at other players, being EPL proven isn't a given either, Alexis Sanchez went from being one of the best players in the EPL with us one season to absolute dross at United, did he really lose all of his talent in the space of 3 months? Doubtful
by greengoonerie » Fri May 07, 2021 1:38 pm
by jayramfootball » Fri May 07, 2021 2:29 pm
greengoonerie wrote:Partey has hugely under delivered this season.
the speed of play in the PL is some way ahead of what he is used to and this is reflected in the number of times he has been dispossessed, shot too quickly or passed the ball away to the opposition because of being under pressure.
I disgree it's down to poor management. a player doesnt need to be managed to pass a ball to a teammate, keep possession or shoot on target. Theyre the players responsibilities.
He needs to get to the pace of PL games from next season or we will see more of the same.
BTW - 3 english clubs in the European finals - confirms the difference in class between English league and the rest of Europe. it's down to pressure and pace. New arrivals from non-English league clubs are struggling with it.
by billie86 » Fri May 07, 2021 2:42 pm