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Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:20 pm
by Dejan
LMAO wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Ach wrote:Don't think anyone seriously wanted Arteta over Jose.

Would be ludicrous if anyone did


Yes, quite a few folks.


Hi.

4 shots, 2 on target

That's not sustainable.
.


This is some weird post tbh. You are picking out ONE game where they duck in, scored, and won. And then its not sustainable, while completely ignoring that they have, after chelsea, the highest goals scored in the league and the lowest goals conceded

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Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:36 pm
by Santi
Also it's the exact tactic vs big teams that Arteta has been praised for, only Jose get's the results in the league where it matters more.

Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:07 pm
by KG3
Ancelotti has Calvert Lewin looking good that’s a difference a top manager can do because that guy was no better than Nketiah before.

Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:15 pm
by Özim
Arteta has Aubameyang looking like Nketiah on the other hand!

Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:31 pm
by Ach
Look at what Jose is doing with son and Kane, Ancelotti with richarlison and DCL

Then look at Arteta with Auba and Laca.

Would laugh if it wasn't so pathetic

Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:02 pm
by Özim
The other thing about Lampard and Solkjaer compared to Arteta is that they actually had managed clubs before, it wasn’t just a punt in the dark, they’d at least shown something, Arteta was basically hype with no concrete evidence to show he was capable of managing.

People preferring him to the likes of Mourinho or Ancelotti on a football basis along isn’t particularly logical based on evidence.

Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:27 pm
by jayramfootball
Özim wrote:Arteta has Aubameyang looking like Nketiah on the other hand!


Auba's awful start to the season has nothing to do with Arteta - it's all on Auba.
Time for him to pull his finger out against Leeds today.

Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:21 pm
by Özim
jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:Arteta has Aubameyang looking like Nketiah on the other hand!


Auba's awful start to the season has nothing to do with Arteta - it's all on Auba.
Time for him to pull his finger out against Leeds today.


No it’s Artetas fault we’re not creating anything for him and that he’s stuck on the wing, he didn’t have a shot on goal in the last match and has had less shots than Maguire this season, that’s down to playing style.

Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:45 pm
by LMAO
Dejan wrote:
LMAO wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Ach wrote:Don't think anyone seriously wanted Arteta over Jose.

Would be ludicrous if anyone did


Yes, quite a few folks.


Hi.

4 shots, 2 on target

That's not sustainable.
.


This is some weird post tbh. You are picking out ONE game where they duck in, scored, and won. And then its not sustainable, while completely ignoring that they have, after chelsea, the highest goals scored in the league and the lowest goals conceded

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Scoring Efficiency (goals/shots on target) of Other Notable League Sides Since 2010
2018-19 Liverpool: 41.0%
2017-18 Juventus: 40.8%
2011-12 Real Madrid: 40.7%
2010-11 Barcelona: 40.7%
2019-20 Bayern Munich: 40.2%
2017-18 Manchester City: 40.1%
2015-16 Leicester City: 38.0%
2019-20 Liverpool: 37.4%
2016-17 Real Madrid: 37.1%
2014-15 Barcelona: 36.8%
2018-19 Manchester City: 36.8%
2012-13 Bayern Munich 35.6%

Tottenham's Scoring Efficiency under Pochettino (and Mourinho)
2014-15: 31.0%
2015-16: 27.2%
2016-17: 32.7%
2017-18: 33.3%
2018-19: 35.5%
2019-20: 36.1%

2020-21 Tottenham through 9 games: 44.7%

data from fbref

If Spurs are still as clinical through 23 games, then fair enough, there might be something there. But, right now, I believe they're overperforming (like our 22 game unbeaten streak under Emery), and I'll be surprised if their efficiency remains better than most of the best club sides (and Leicester) in the best leagues of the 2010s. Tottenham's scoring efficiency under Mourinho this season is a mirage, and they aren't truly 23.8% more clinical than last season.

Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:36 pm
by theHotHead
Özim wrote:Spurs were below us in 14th when Mourinho took over, now they currently sit top, we’re 11th and no better off at all position wise

Spurs had a better squad than Arteta when Maureen joined them.

Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:38 pm
by theHotHead
Ach wrote:Don't think anyone seriously wanted Arteta over Jose.

Would be ludicrous if anyone did

I wouldn't want that classless prick Mourinho at Arsenal under any circumstances.

So if its a choice between Maureen and Arteta, I'd choose Arteta. I would stop supporting arsenal if Mourinho ever got appointed.

Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:11 pm
by KG3
theHotHead wrote:
Özim wrote:Spurs were below us in 14th when Mourinho took over, now they currently sit top, we’re 11th and no better off at all position wise

Spurs had a better squad than Arteta when Maureen joined them.


So? When Rodgers took over Leicester there squad was worse than ours, it still is actually having a better squad is no excuse take Chelsea 15-16 for example title winning squad the season before then they finished 10th the year after behind the likes of West Ham and stoke city.

Managers make a big difference when it comes to these sort things

Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:05 pm
by Power n Glory
KG3 wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Özim wrote:Spurs were below us in 14th when Mourinho took over, now they currently sit top, we’re 11th and no better off at all position wise

Spurs had a better squad than Arteta when Maureen joined them.


So? When Rodgers took over Leicester there squad was worse than ours, it still is actually having a better squad is no excuse take Chelsea 15-16 for example title winning squad the season before then they finished 10th the year after behind the likes of West Ham and stoke city.

Managers make a big difference when it comes to these sort things


Yep agree. This season we're currently behind Leicester, Southampton, Everton Villa, West Ham, Wolves, Utd and Palace in the league. Our squad isn't this poor and it comes back to management.

Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:30 pm
by aniym
Mourinho has impressed, considering that he is used to working without budget constraints. Probably most impressive thing is that he's actually formed a working truce with Ndombele and hasn't tried to waste millions by signing loyalist players like Matic.

Ancelotti has done OK, made smart buys during the summer and quickly got rid of Moise Kean (who looks happier at PSG) and swapped in DCL, who's scoring a lot.

Re: Arteta vs Ancelotti vs Mourinho

PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:01 pm
by theHotHead
KG3 wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Özim wrote:Spurs were below us in 14th when Mourinho took over, now they currently sit top, we’re 11th and no better off at all position wise

Spurs had a better squad than Arteta when Maureen joined them.


So? When Rodgers took over Leicester there squad was worse than ours, it still is actually having a better squad is no excuse take Chelsea 15-16 for example title winning squad the season before then they finished 10th the year after behind the likes of West Ham and stoke city.

Managers make a big difference when it comes to these sort things

Huh?? All you have confirmed is you need to be a good manager to make something better than it actually is (Rodgers). Mourinho took over a top 4 club, all he has done is got them playing back at their level. Arteta has taken a top 6 club and made us a midtable club.

Mourinho has done nothing special. Rodgers has done far more, given the quality of Leicester's players.