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Re: Wenger in

Postby UFGN » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:23 pm

Santi wrote:Nice of you to take George grahams cock out of your hands long enough to type that


George the legend couldn't stop winning trophies

Even won one for the Spuds despite their allergy to glory
Corinthians 15:57; But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus

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Re: Wenger in

Postby swipe right » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:32 pm

Ach wrote:LOL

His management career officially over

Sadly so is Unai’s.
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Re: Wenger in

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:43 pm

swipe right wrote:
Ach wrote:LOL

His management career officially over

Sadly so is Unai’s.


Nothing sad about it.
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Re: Wenger in

Postby swipe right » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:47 pm

Should’ve gone and coached Everton or Southampton instead of taking this naff job.
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Re: Wenger in

Postby Ach » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:18 pm

The butt hurt is real
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Re: Wenger in

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:13 pm

I honestly trust Wenger to do a better job of helping global football development, than in having anything to do with setting tactics at Arsenal. He'd likely be more qualified in terms of having direct academy and recruitment experience than the majority of the other people on the team he's joining.
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Re: Wenger in

Postby swipe right » Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:22 am

We need to discuss the nuclear option. We are three bad games away from relegation zone. It’s time to panic.
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Re: Wenger In

Postby Angelito » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:35 am

Say what you want but it appears as if Wenger was single-handedly holding the fort at Arsenal amidst insane adversaries.

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Re: Wenger In

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:39 am

Angelito wrote:Say what you want but it appears as if Wenger was single-handedly holding the fort at Arsenal amidst insane adversaries.

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No, Wenger set us on this trajectory and this was always going to be our destination.
He got out after ruining the club completely and destroying our future.
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Re: Wenger In

Postby Angelito » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:46 am

jayramfootball wrote:
Angelito wrote:Say what you want but it appears as if Wenger was single-handedly holding the fort at Arsenal amidst insane adversaries.

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No, Wenger set us on this trajectory and this was always going to be our destination.
He got out after ruining the club completely and destroying our future.


It was the Emirates move. Look at Spurs. They've sacked their most "successful" manager since the 80s because Spurs too have a task of keeping their best players and transitioning smoothly. But they have ambitious owners and a stern and strategic CEO. We have clowns running the club.

Wenger did the best he could without the resources. By 2015, Wenger was past it. He had some awful players yet we still looked like world-beaters on our day. If we had someone like Levy, Wenger would have been gone the moment Klopp became available. But we had and have cowards in the board and at executive level.

Wenger was a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest. He was severely handicapped. Our capitulation in the last 18 months is a major red flag and an indication that Wenger did his best to keep us relevant despite the odds being stacked against him.

Today, after 18 months of Emery's bullshit, our players look lost—devoid of identity. There is no Arsenal way. We're no longer 1-0 to the Arsenal, nor do we have any semblance of Wengerball left. Arsenal have become an orphan. That's why players are struggling.

Amidst all this, we're being linked to Vieira, Marcelino, Kovac, and Arteta. You make the call.
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Re: Wenger In

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:59 am

Angelito wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Angelito wrote:Say what you want but it appears as if Wenger was single-handedly holding the fort at Arsenal amidst insane adversaries.

:(


No, Wenger set us on this trajectory and this was always going to be our destination.
He got out after ruining the club completely and destroying our future.


It was the Emirates move. Look at Spurs. They've sacked their most "successful" manager since the 80s because Spurs too have a task of keeping their best players and transitioning smoothly. But they have ambitious owners and a stern and strategic CEO. We have clowns running the club.

Wenger did the best he could without the resources. By 2015, Wenger was past it. He had some awful players yet we still looked like world-beaters on our day. If we had someone like Levy, Wenger would have been gone the moment Klopp became available. But we had and have cowards in the board and at executive level.

Wenger was a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest. He was severely handicapped. Our capitulation in the last 18 months is a major red flag and an indication that Wenger did his best to keep us relevant despite the odds being stacked against him.

Today, after 18 months of Emery's bullshit, our players look lost—devoid of identity. There is no Arsenal way. We're no longer 1-0 to the Arsenal, nor do we have any semblance of Wengerball left. We have become an orphan. That's why players are struggling.

Amidst all this, we're being linked to Vieira, Marcelino, Kovac, and Arteta. You make the call.


No, Wenger did not make the best of it.
We all saw the football we played. The basic mistakes, the lack of backbone in the team.
That had nothing to do with the Emirates.
We splashed the cash under Wenger on players like Mustafi and Xhaka. That was not because we were at the Emirates. It was bad management.
We saw all the youth players come through with lousy attitudes. No discipline.
We've seen the lack of organisation in defence and it was never addressed.
We saw all out top players leave the club, whilst at the same time having one of the highest wage bills in the league. It wasn't for the money. They had no faith in the club.
Wenger created this mess.
We were always going to get worse before we got better - it's going to take a long time to rid the club of the dross Wenger brought in and change the culture he created.
The truth is that things started to go wrong in 2006 when the last link to George Graham's team was gone. Things really took a turn for the worse when the few players we had that Wenger brought in, who embraced the George Graham culture from their overlapping time with George Graham era players, had also gone. From then on we had no leadership on the field and I'd guess none in training.
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Re: Wenger In

Postby Phil71 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:29 am

Wenger's biggest mistake was making far too many poor signings, and even worse sticking with them. His judgement here was very poor far too often. What made him think players like Denilson, Frimpong, Chamakh, Sanogo, Squillaci, Jeffers were ever good enough to play for Arsenal? The list is huge.
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Re: Wenger In

Postby Dejan » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:35 am

Chamaaaaaaakhhhh

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Re: Wenger In

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:42 am

Phil71 wrote:Wenger's biggest mistake was making far too many poor signings, and even worse sticking with them. His judgement here was very poor far too often. What made him think players like Denilson, Frimpong, Chamakh, Sanogo, Squillaci, Jeffers were ever good enough to play for Arsenal? The list is huge.


He had the excuse of stadium austerity, and to his credit he was still developing players well like Fabregas and Nasri.

After 2013 though he went off the deep end with some truly godawful buys for relatively big money. Chambers, Welbeck, Debuchy, Perez, Xhaka, Mustafi...the list goes on.
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Re: Wenger In

Postby Salibatelli » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:42 am

Sick of hearing people making Wenger a martyr, the guy got paid £8.5 - £9 million a year, year you heard that right £8.5 - £9 million for basically being able to do what he wants, with no pressure on him, for over a decade he built a 2nd rate team incapable of challenging and collapsing at every opportunity, he oversaw the most thrashings we ever saw at this club, before he arrived we'd see a bad beating once in a blue moon in the last decade we saw several embarrassments a season.

In his first stint the football was scintillatint and we won trophies, then he made a very peculiar decision and decided to ditch the winning philosophy and style and copy Barca to try and make us a mini Barca, from that point onwards it was a complete failure, his obsession with copying Ferguson and building a team of kids who can win was misplaced, for years he told us we're so close, one more year exeperience, 2% away from domination and all of that, eventually after years he had to accept he'd failed but at no point acknowedged any of his failures.

He point refused to change anything, never wanted to sign any leaders, DM or decent goalscorers and insisted on overloading the team with midfielders and playing players in their wrong positions whilst hyping up players telling us he's made 20,000 substitutions.

On top of that he then start spent lots of money and totally wasting is on basically duds (some of which we're still stuck with today) and was so protective of his players he never ever criticised them, to the point he would rather blame the fans then them.

Add to that the boring football, it really was, this tap tap tap, sideways all the time and the horrendous defending and you certainly don't have a saviour.

At any other top club he'd have been out of a job by 2010 not at Arsenal though, where he had free reign to do what he liked and even once said he decides if he's done well, there was never any accountability.

In short we are here because of us keeping Wenger far too long and giving him too much power to do what he wanted, the money we had he pretty much spent before the new manager came in, meaning the new manager not only had a very average squad of players who were overpaid, had no hunger desire and who's work rate was questionable but also had no CL after he'd failed to qualify for two seasons.

It was always going to be tough to replace him after 22 years, but the state he left us in made it even harder, granted Emery was the wrong choice, I think we all know the fans wouldn't have chosen him, it was the board again making a poor decision based on finances and wanting a yes man but really he left us in a very poor state for the future.

All we can hope now is that by some miracle we bring in some top manager, who can at last instill some tactics, discipline and system to get this suqad playing to the best of it's ability and then bring in the required replacements in the summer.
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