William Saliba (2)

[Phil71]

No reply to facts.

The only basis for this Saliba hate is cos arteta doesn't rate him. Nothing else lol

This arteta can do no wrong stance is hilarious

'Hate'

The shit some people post.

You couldn't make it up.

[KG3]

Comfortably gets in our defence.

It's been pretty average this season.

Wouldn’t have let Eduard run on our goal like that. His absence cost us three points.

Saliba will make mistakes. Who doesn't? He's young though and already better than White which is telling.

Saliba handling mbappe Messi and neymar with ease. White struggles with toney and Eduard lol

But ones not PL proven lol

No idea why people are bothered about BPL experience much, take Toure and Koscielny for example Toure came from some team in Africa and Koscielny from Ligue 2, both of them went straight into the first team sure they may have made some mistakes along the way, but it turned them into world class defenders.

If the talent is there we should be using them! or at the very least loan them out to another BPL team, he’s not going to learn much more staying in Ligue one where he’s been since the start.

[theHotHead]

Its because they think it adds weight to their argument, when in reality it adds f**k all. how many Prem to Prem purchases have we made since Wenger took the helm ?! Very few, but the quality of our football was for the majority of the time very good. Completely tosses the "no prem experience" argument out of the window.

Take our first double-winning season, apart from the defensive line:

Patrick Vieira
Nicholas Anelka
Marc Overmars
Emmanual Petit
Gilles Grimandi

None of the above had any Prem experience before joining us, up to 2 seasons later they were doing domestic doubles !! Honorary mention to Dennis Bergkamp (no prior Prem experience).

Lets look at our next double winning squad:

Jens Lehman
Robert Pires
Freddie Ljungberg
Antonio Reyes
Syvain Wiltord
Lauren
Thierry Henry
Edu
Cygan
Gilberto silva
Clichy
Kanu
Toure

None of the above had prior Prem experience. What more needs to be said about the argument that Prem experience is important !

[jayramfootball]

Its because they think it adds weight to their argument, when in reality it adds f**k all. how many Prem to Prem purchases have we made since Wenger took the helm ?! Very few, but the quality of our football was for the majority of the time very good. Completely tosses the "no prem experience" argument out of the window.

Take our first double-winning season, apart from the defensive line:

Patrick Vieira
Nicholas Anelka
Marc Overmars
Emmanual Petit
Gilles Grimandi

None of the above had any Prem experience before joining us, up to 2 seasons later they were doing domestic doubles !! Honorary mention to Dennis Bergkamp (no prior Prem experience).

Lets look at our next double winning squad:

Jens Lehman
Robert Pires
Freddie Ljungberg
Antonio Reyes
Syvain Wiltord
Lauren
Thierry Henry
Edu
Cygan
Gilberto silva
Clichy
Kanu
Toure

None of the above had prior Prem experience. What more needs to be said about the argument that Prem experience is important !

No one ever made any argument that without PL experience a player can not be very successful.

The issue is that you are taking a chance - for all our 'successes' there is a long (longer) list of failures.
The argument is the OPPOSITE of what you are trying to pass off HH. It's that success in a weaker league does not mean a player is ready or good enough for the PL.

[swipe right]

Its because they think it adds weight to their argument, when in reality it adds f**k all. how many Prem to Prem purchases have we made since Wenger took the helm ?! Very few, but the quality of our football was for the majority of the time very good. Completely tosses the "no prem experience" argument out of the window.

Take our first double-winning season, apart from the defensive line:

Patrick Vieira
Nicholas Anelka
Marc Overmars
Emmanual Petit
Gilles Grimandi

None of the above had any Prem experience before joining us, up to 2 seasons later they were doing domestic doubles !! Honorary mention to Dennis Bergkamp (no prior Prem experience).

Lets look at our next double winning squad:

Jens Lehman
Robert Pires
Freddie Ljungberg
Antonio Reyes
Syvain Wiltord
Lauren
Thierry Henry
Edu
Cygan
Gilberto silva
Clichy
Kanu
Toure

None of the above had prior Prem experience. What more needs to be said about the argument that Prem experience is important !

No one ever made any argument that without PL experience a player can not be very successful.

The issue is that you are taking a chance - for all our 'successes' there is a long (longer) list of failures.
The argument is the OPPOSITE of what you are trying to pass off HH. It's that success in a weaker league does not mean a player is ready or good enough for the PL.

Marseille > Brighton

[jayramfootball]

Its because they think it adds weight to their argument, when in reality it adds f**k all. how many Prem to Prem purchases have we made since Wenger took the helm ?! Very few, but the quality of our football was for the majority of the time very good. Completely tosses the "no prem experience" argument out of the window.

Take our first double-winning season, apart from the defensive line:

Patrick Vieira
Nicholas Anelka
Marc Overmars
Emmanual Petit
Gilles Grimandi

None of the above had any Prem experience before joining us, up to 2 seasons later they were doing domestic doubles !! Honorary mention to Dennis Bergkamp (no prior Prem experience).

Lets look at our next double winning squad:

Jens Lehman
Robert Pires
Freddie Ljungberg
Antonio Reyes
Syvain Wiltord
Lauren
Thierry Henry
Edu
Cygan
Gilberto silva
Clichy
Kanu
Toure

None of the above had prior Prem experience. What more needs to be said about the argument that Prem experience is important !

No one ever made any argument that without PL experience a player can not be very successful.

The issue is that you are taking a chance - for all our 'successes' there is a long (longer) list of failures.
The argument is the OPPOSITE of what you are trying to pass off HH. It's that success in a weaker league does not mean a player is ready or good enough for the PL.

Marseille > Brighton

Not the question.
A question is which out of Brighton and Marseille are better prepared to deal with the challenge of the PL week in week out.
It's Brighton.
Even that is not the question - which is actually how well being good as a player in France translates to the PL.
Players that play for bigger French clubs have an easier time that those that play for smaller clubs.
PSG players, for example, can be on complete cruise control giving 25% and they are still winning the league easily.

No one would have made the claim that the French league is even close to the PL in quality until recently - and that is because of the Arteta agenda, trying to make more of a loan signings performances than are really there.

Those trying are not fooling anyone but themselves.

[ag6789]

Thing is better players are coming in from English academies than the 2000s hence managers are looking into English recruits. Win-win for all.

[theHotHead]

Its because they think it adds weight to their argument, when in reality it adds f**k all. how many Prem to Prem purchases have we made since Wenger took the helm ?! Very few, but the quality of our football was for the majority of the time very good. Completely tosses the "no prem experience" argument out of the window.

Take our first double-winning season, apart from the defensive line:

Patrick Vieira
Nicholas Anelka
Marc Overmars
Emmanual Petit
Gilles Grimandi

None of the above had any Prem experience before joining us, up to 2 seasons later they were doing domestic doubles !! Honorary mention to Dennis Bergkamp (no prior Prem experience).

Lets look at our next double winning squad:

Jens Lehman
Robert Pires
Freddie Ljungberg
Antonio Reyes
Syvain Wiltord
Lauren
Thierry Henry
Edu
Cygan
Gilberto silva
Clichy
Kanu
Toure

None of the above had prior Prem experience. What more needs to be said about the argument that Prem experience is important !

No one ever made any argument that without PL experience a player can not be very successful.

The issue is that you are taking a chance - for all our 'successes' there is a long (longer) list of failures.
The argument is the OPPOSITE of what you are trying to pass off HH. It's that success in a weaker league does not mean a player is ready or good enough for the PL.

Marseille > Brighton

Henry and Bergkamp failed in Italy, they came to England and looked great, does that mean the Prem was easier than Serie A?

The argument is not about failures Jay, as with anything in life you take chances .. or you don't, it cannot be avoided. the point is, under Wenger, all he did was take chances on players with no Prem experience - he hardly bought from the Prem/English leagues. In fact .....

From 1996 when Wenger joined he bought 87 players that either played or were highly thought of, that didn't have Premier League experience, up until his final season. He bought 18 players from other English clubs, some of which were not in the Prem and so didn't have Premier League experience anyway, but I can't be arsed to dig further to tell you exactly who. The 18 players are:

Upson, Jeffers, Lukic, Richard Wright, Sol Campbell, Walcott, Poom, Gallas, Lassana Diarra, Silvestre, Oxo, Arteta (LOL), Benayoun, Chambers, Welbeck, Debuchy, Cech and Mkhitariyan.

Now, look at that list, I dare someone to tell me that buying players with Premier league experience means something. the only players from that list worth a fart were Sol Campbell and I might grudgingly give you Walcott based on the number of goals he scored.

[theHotHead]

Thing is better players are coming in from English academies than the 2000s hence managers are looking into English recruits. Win-win for all.

Huh ?!! How ? Prove it with facts/numbers !

[StockGooner]

Thing is better players are coming in from English academies than the 2000s hence managers are looking into English recruits. Win-win for all.

Huh ?!! How ? Prove it with facts/numbers !

Definitely can't prove with facts, but think that seems to ring true. If you look at the number of young English players now, that are more technically gifted. Your Grealish, Sancho, Saka, ESR, Foden, Trent. Seems to be more high quality players coming through than the 2000s. We might not have a superstar in the ilk of Rooney who burst onto the scene and was amazing, but quality seems to be there. Granted not facts or figures, just a feeling

[ag6789]

Simple, because England has been getting into SFs and Finals of international competitions regularly than they did before( at least throughout the 2000s).
There were great individual players always, but not above average across the board as nowadays.

[swipe right]

This notion that the French league is not a top league or someone coming from the French league won’t hack it in England is complete and utter bunk. The only difference between the two leagues is ownership and investment. French academies have been producing brilliant talent that shine everywhere for decades.

[jayramfootball]

Its because they think it adds weight to their argument, when in reality it adds f**k all. how many Prem to Prem purchases have we made since Wenger took the helm ?! Very few, but the quality of our football was for the majority of the time very good. Completely tosses the "no prem experience" argument out of the window.

Take our first double-winning season, apart from the defensive line:

Patrick Vieira
Nicholas Anelka
Marc Overmars
Emmanual Petit
Gilles Grimandi

None of the above had any Prem experience before joining us, up to 2 seasons later they were doing domestic doubles !! Honorary mention to Dennis Bergkamp (no prior Prem experience).

Lets look at our next double winning squad:

Jens Lehman
Robert Pires
Freddie Ljungberg
Antonio Reyes
Syvain Wiltord
Lauren
Thierry Henry
Edu
Cygan
Gilberto silva
Clichy
Kanu
Toure

None of the above had prior Prem experience. What more needs to be said about the argument that Prem experience is important !

No one ever made any argument that without PL experience a player can not be very successful.

The issue is that you are taking a chance - for all our 'successes' there is a long (longer) list of failures.
The argument is the OPPOSITE of what you are trying to pass off HH. It's that success in a weaker league does not mean a player is ready or good enough for the PL.

Marseille > Brighton

Henry and Bergkamp failed in Italy, they came to England and looked great, does that mean the Prem was easier than Serie A?

The argument is not about failures Jay, as with anything in life you take chances .. or you don't, it cannot be avoided. the point is, under Wenger, all he did was take chances on players with no Prem experience - he hardly bought from the Prem/English leagues. In fact .....

From 1996 when Wenger joined he bought 87 players that either played or were highly thought of, that didn't have Premier League experience, up until his final season. He bought 18 players from other English clubs, some of which were not in the Prem and so didn't have Premier League experience anyway, but I can't be arsed to dig further to tell you exactly who. The 18 players are:

Upson, Jeffers, Lukic, Richard Wright, Sol Campbell, Walcott, Poom, Gallas, Lassana Diarra, Silvestre, Oxo, Arteta (LOL), Benayoun, Chambers, Welbeck, Debuchy, Cech and Mkhitariyan.

Now, look at that list, I dare someone to tell me that buying players with Premier league experience means something. the only players from that list worth a fart were Sol Campbell and I might grudgingly give you Walcott based on the number of goals he scored.

We can go round in circles all day about individual players who did this and did that.
The fact remains the PL is a far higher level than the French League.
Like I said, It's only become a debate since a few people wanted to create an Arteta bad story over Saliba.

Let Saliba do his thing - he's doing quite well in a weaker league and getting valuable game time. The big moment came last week when he stood up to PSGs attack. That is a rare test for him at a higher level in the French league and one he passed well. So it's all good. He can keep getting better and then go for it when he steps up to the PL next year. If he can challenge White and / or Gabriel for a starting spot that is great. Good Competition and it will make everyone better - IF they have the right character... and if they don't when they are not good enough as a player anyway, so f**k them. I want to see every player in the squad concerned that if they put in bad performances their place is gone.

[Highbury Hillbilly]

Thing is better players are coming in from English academies than the 2000s hence managers are looking into English recruits. Win-win for all.

Bottom half of the table is full of teams with English academy talent.

At the highest levels, there's:

Harry Maguire, an £80m flop, surrounded by better foreign players.

John Stones - £50m, not a flop, but quickly replaced by better foreign players

Ben White - £50m, flop status undetermined.

These aren't wins, they're extremely expensive bets.

[ag6789]

Saka, ESR, Foden......Grealish, Madison.....????