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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby alexafc12 » Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:27 pm

2 years left on his deal in the summer. Even if he's now in our plans can we convince him to extend his deal ?
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:21 pm

We need to think about selling Saliba this summer, because otherwise we risk losing him for nothing, as has become common under Edu + Arteta.

This scenario is all too likely:

- He returns to Arsenal in the summer, deal talks pushed to end of the season

- Spends most of the season on the bench behind BW and GM and some MLS CB

- 1 year left, no new deal signed, not allowed to leave for another club, all bids rejected

- Allowed to leave in Jan for £5m or thereabouts
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:26 pm

Highbury Hillbilly wrote:We need to think about selling Saliba this summer, because otherwise we risk losing him for nothing, as has become common under Edu + Arteta.

This scenario is all too likely:

- He returns to Arsenal in the summer, deal talks pushed to end of the season

- Spends most of the season on the bench behind BW and GM and some MLS CB

- 1 year left, no new deal signed, not allowed to leave for another club, all bids rejected

- Allowed to leave in Jan for £5m or thereabouts


We've played a blinder with this one.
We massively overpaid for an 18yr old kid based in hype and then when we saw him, the blood must have drained from the managers face.
He simply wasn't ready.
We've helped him develop and now we are in a win/win situation.

We will get our money back on him I suspect or we can sign him up again and give him a shot.
I would make sure we sell him this summer, though, if he refuses a new contract.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Salibatelli » Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:27 pm

alexafc12 wrote:2 years left on his deal in the summer. Even if he's now in our plans can we convince him to extend his deal ?


I doubt it, he must have seen how AMN and Balogun have been treated and also considered his own situation, I doubt he’d be happy to re-sign for a club that have been so dismissive of his talent and have been unwilling to give him a chance.

He may come back in the summer and he’ll probably be backup and then a year down the line he’ll
realise he wants regular football and either move cut price or wait another 6 months.

On the face of it we’ve made a right mess of the situation.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Ach » Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:34 pm

alexafc12 wrote:2 years left on his deal in the summer. Even if he's now in our plans can we convince him to extend his deal ?

Would you sign one knowing how you've been treated by an idiotic manager?

Fofana comes in at an similar age and excels at premier League level. Saliba rated higher than him not given a chance at all. Excels on multiple loans and we buy Brighton's third best CB for 50m.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Salibatelli » Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:01 pm

Ach wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:2 years left on his deal in the summer. Even if he's now in our plans can we convince him to extend his deal ?

Would you sign one knowing how you've been treated by an idiotic manager?

Fofana comes in at an similar age and excels at premier League level. Saliba rated higher than him not given a chance at all. Excels on multiple loans and we buy Brighton's third best CB for 50m.


Saliva wasn’t too young and was good enough, we know this from Fofana at Leicester who as you rightly pointed out wasn’t as highly rated and was the same age and did very well at Leicester.

This theory that he wasn’t good enough is just used to try and find a reason as to why he was sent out on loan and never played.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:02 pm

Salibatelli wrote:
Ach wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:2 years left on his deal in the summer. Even if he's now in our plans can we convince him to extend his deal ?

Would you sign one knowing how you've been treated by an idiotic manager?

Fofana comes in at an similar age and excels at premier League level. Saliba rated higher than him not given a chance at all. Excels on multiple loans and we buy Brighton's third best CB for 50m.


Saliva wasn’t too young and was good enough, we know this from Fofana at Leicester who as you rightly pointed out wasn’t as highly rated and was the same age and did very well at Leicester.

This theory that he wasn’t good enough is just used to try and find a reason as to why he was sent out on loan and never played.


Fofana is a different human being - not sure if you'd noticed.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Ach » Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:05 pm

Salibatelli wrote:
Ach wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:2 years left on his deal in the summer. Even if he's now in our plans can we convince him to extend his deal ?

Would you sign one knowing how you've been treated by an idiotic manager?

Fofana comes in at an similar age and excels at premier League level. Saliba rated higher than him not given a chance at all. Excels on multiple loans and we buy Brighton's third best CB for 50m.


Saliva wasn’t too young and was good enough, we know this from Fofana at Leicester who as you rightly pointed out wasn’t as highly rated and was the same age and did very well at Leicester.

This theory that he wasn’t good enough is just used to try and find a reason as to why he was sent out on loan and never played.

Just an excuse to try and defend an arteta shocker
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Salibatelli » Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:06 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:
Ach wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:2 years left on his deal in the summer. Even if he's now in our plans can we convince him to extend his deal ?

Would you sign one knowing how you've been treated by an idiotic manager?

Fofana comes in at an similar age and excels at premier League level. Saliba rated higher than him not given a chance at all. Excels on multiple loans and we buy Brighton's third best CB for 50m.


Saliva wasn’t too young and was good enough, we know this from Fofana at Leicester who as you rightly pointed out wasn’t as highly rated and was the same age and did very well at Leicester.

This theory that he wasn’t good enough is just used to try and find a reason as to why he was sent out on loan and never played.


Fofana is a different human being - not sure if you'd noticed.


Yes and he got a chance and excelled meanwhile at Arsenal some novice with next to no experience at management decides Saliba isn’t good enough without even giving him a shot in real top level matches.

There’s no way Arteta could have worked out he’s not good enough based on some friendly level games when the guy had only just arrived at Arsenal.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:06 pm

Easy transfer policy - just buy 18 year old players from the same country as one who is highly rated.
Job done. 100% success rate.

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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Salibatelli » Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:09 pm

jayramfootball wrote:Easy transfer policy - just buy 18 year old players from the same country as one who is highly rated.
Job done.

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Saliba was the more highly rated of the two and has continued to pay well when sent out on loan.

If Fofana can do it, pretty sure Saliba could have, it’s just a shame for him he didn’t have a manager as accommodating as Rogers.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:10 pm

Salibatelli wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:
Ach wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:2 years left on his deal in the summer. Even if he's now in our plans can we convince him to extend his deal ?

Would you sign one knowing how you've been treated by an idiotic manager?

Fofana comes in at an similar age and excels at premier League level. Saliba rated higher than him not given a chance at all. Excels on multiple loans and we buy Brighton's third best CB for 50m.


Saliva wasn’t too young and was good enough, we know this from Fofana at Leicester who as you rightly pointed out wasn’t as highly rated and was the same age and did very well at Leicester.

This theory that he wasn’t good enough is just used to try and find a reason as to why he was sent out on loan and never played.


Fofana is a different human being - not sure if you'd noticed.


Yes and he got a chance and excelled meanwhile at Arsenal some novice with next to no experience at management decides Saliba isn’t good enough without even giving him a shot in real top level matches.

There’s no way Arteta could have worked out he’s not good enough based on some friendly level games when the guy had only just arrived at Arsenal.


You mean the novice with a decade of experience actually playing in the PL and 4 years experience actually coaching in the PL at one of the top clubs in the world... that guy.. he wouldn't have a clue, right? Whereas you? Well you saw Fofana play decent at Leicester for 2/3rds of a season so you're in the know. Good grief.

It's utterly ridiculous to suggest an 18yr old kid who had played just 16 games in France was definitely ready to play in the most physical top flight league in the world because you saw some other kid play 2/3s of a season before getting injured.
Just utterly insane logic.

And yeah - throwing Fofana in as a kid has been such a roaring success after all. His career may well be over he's been smashed around so much. He also was not brilliant before he got injured. Just OK.

Leave the coaching to those who have a clue.

What we know for a fact is that Saliba was not ready. We know it because he didn't make it into the squad and we actually saw him look a mess at even the U23 level.

Arteta may have literally made this kids career with smart decision making.
He's still just 20 years old - incredibly young for a CB - and has been allowed to develop his game without being smashed up by PL forwards and having his confidence battered by the likes of Salah rinsing him.

He is WAY ahead of Fofana now - he has played much football and will come back to Arsenal as a 21yr old, profile raised again and with his career ahead of him.
Meanwhile Fofana has played just 28 games been badly injured and then got another injury - a serious double break. He will enter next year as a 22yr old trying to get his career back on track having spent a year on the treatment table.

Who do you think has done a better job with the respective players - Arteta or Rodgers?
Yeah - it's Arteta.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Salibatelli » Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:40 pm

He’s been 8th twice and was a very average player. He got the job through luck, he wasn’t qualified.

He still isn’t, he makes so many poor decisions it’s clear he’s not good enough, if the Kroenkes weren’t in charge we’d have a new manager by now, but they are and they don’t care about football.

As for Saliba, just because Arteta thinks he’s not good enough based on some friendly level games, it doesn’t make it true. This is the same guy that rates Xhaka after all.

Saliba probably won’t be around long if at all as his contract will have run out before long and clubs like Real are already hovering around, we’ve really messed this up, he’ll have 2 years left if/when he comes back, I doubt he’ll sign a longer contract and thus after a year he has a year left and we’re in the same situation we get ourselves in time and time again.

Plus let’s face it if Real come knocking, no player is going turn them down and to stick around at Arsenal.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:11 pm

Salibatelli wrote:He’s been 8th twice and was a very average player. He got the job through luck, he wasn’t qualified.

He still isn’t, he makes so many poor decisions it’s clear he’s not good enough, if the Kroenkes weren’t in charge we’d have a new manager by now, but they are and they don’t care about football.

As for Saliba, just because Arteta thinks he’s not good enough based on some friendly level games, it doesn’t make it true. This is the same guy that rates Xhaka after all.

Saliba probably won’t be around long if at all as his contract will have run out before long and clubs like Real are already hovering around, we’ve really messed this up, he’ll have 2 years left if/when he comes back, I doubt he’ll sign a longer contract and thus after a year he has a year left and we’re in the same situation we get ourselves in time and time again.

Plus let’s face it if Real come knocking, no player is going turn them down and to stick around at Arsenal.


Honestly, it just makes you sound ridiculous when you pretend you know even a tiny fraction of what a player, coach and manager at the very highest level of club football has learned over 20 years in the game.
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Re: William Saliba (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Salibatelli » Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:18 am

jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:He’s been 8th twice and was a very average player. He got the job through luck, he wasn’t qualified.

He still isn’t, he makes so many poor decisions it’s clear he’s not good enough, if the Kroenkes weren’t in charge we’d have a new manager by now, but they are and they don’t care about football.

As for Saliba, just because Arteta thinks he’s not good enough based on some friendly level games, it doesn’t make it true. This is the same guy that rates Xhaka after all.

Saliba probably won’t be around long if at all as his contract will have run out before long and clubs like Real are already hovering around, we’ve really messed this up, he’ll have 2 years left if/when he comes back, I doubt he’ll sign a longer contract and thus after a year he has a year left and we’re in the same situation we get ourselves in time and time again.

Plus let’s face it if Real come knocking, no player is going turn them down and to stick around at Arsenal.


Honestly, it just makes you sound ridiculous when you pretend you know even a tiny fraction of what a player, coach and manager at the very highest level of club football has learned over 20 years in the game.


It’s ironic because that’s exactly what you do. Just because one manager who has been show to make some very poor decisions when it comes to players decides he’s not up to scratch, thats it he can’t possibly be and you refute every bit of evidence which points otherwise.

Arteta had barely been in management at all when he made the decision, I don’t see why that makes him an expert. Playing football doesn’t make you an expert on what makes a good defender, he was a midfielder himself and not a very good one and thus far he’s been a very average manager.
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