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Re: William Saliba

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:40 pm

TedLasso wrote:The Nice loan debacle is a real strike against Arteta but loaning him to Marseille has been nothing but a success. The player got a ton of minutes for a CL squad and now comes back better than ever. We absolutely need to keep him this summer unless some team comes in with 50m. Too bad no one in France has any money except PSG.


Footballing wise, and for Saliba, it's been fabulous, paid EPL wages to learn his trade in a far easier league.

What we should have done, and what all well managed clubs do, is have made him sign a two year extension BEFORE agreeing to a loan to Marseille. Now all the increased value, built up by Saliba on the Arsenal shilling, belongs to him not to Arsenal. Yes he might now sign a new contract, but he might not, we no longer have any leverage as we did last summer. Even if he does it will be on a salary double or triple what it would have been 12 months ago.

We continue to manage contract basics badly, it's hard to understand why we never seem to learn.
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Re: William Saliba

Postby TedLasso » Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:55 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
TedLasso wrote:The Nice loan debacle is a real strike against Arteta but loaning him to Marseille has been nothing but a success. The player got a ton of minutes for a CL squad and now comes back better than ever. We absolutely need to keep him this summer unless some team comes in with 50m. Too bad no one in France has any money except PSG.


Footballing wise, and for Saliba, it's been fabulous, paid EPL wages to learn his trade in a far easier league.

What we should have done, and what all well managed clubs do, is have made him sign a two year extension BEFORE agreeing to a loan to Marseille. Now all the increased value, built up by Saliba on the Arsenal shilling, belongs to him not to Arsenal. Yes he might now sign a new contract, but he might not, we no longer have any leverage as we did last summer. Even if he does it will be on a salary double or triple what it would have been 12 months ago.

We continue to manage contract basics badly, it's hard to understand why we never seem to learn.


I agree, negotiations have been a weak spot for us for too long.
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Re: William Saliba

Postby alexafc12 » Wed Jun 08, 2022 2:17 pm

It's plain stupid and a lack of foresight.

He either needs to sign now or we sell him. It's as simple as that. I have a feeling we may run the risk and hope during the season he comes convinced his future lies here. But then in reality all that means is he will either be getting a bumper contract or we sell him on the cheap.
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Re: William Saliba

Postby Salibatelli » Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:18 pm

I agree the loan thing didn’t make any sense without extending his contract.

Extending his contract would have probably made him feel like he was part of our future and also given him a nice pay rise, and right now we’d have been in a good position.

As stated above we’re now not in such a good position, if we play him and he performs well, he’s got a year left next summer and he either gets a big payrise or he’s in a good position to move on.

We also need to give him plenty of game time to keep him happy as well.
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Re: William Saliba

Postby swipe right » Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:22 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
TedLasso wrote:The Nice loan debacle is a real strike against Arteta but loaning him to Marseille has been nothing but a success. The player got a ton of minutes for a CL squad and now comes back better than ever. We absolutely need to keep him this summer unless some team comes in with 50m. Too bad no one in France has any money except PSG.


Footballing wise, and for Saliba, it's been fabulous, paid EPL wages to learn his trade in a far easier league.

What we should have done, and what all well managed clubs do, is have made him sign a two year extension BEFORE agreeing to a loan to Marseille. Now all the increased value, built up by Saliba on the Arsenal shilling, belongs to him not to Arsenal. Yes he might now sign a new contract, but he might not, we no longer have any leverage as we did last summer. Even if he does it will be on a salary double or triple what it would have been 12 months ago.

We continue to manage contract basics badly, it's hard to understand why we never seem to learn.

Basically this. It’s because Billy Big Balls wanted to build an entire new squad for no rhyme or reason. Now he knows he has to find a way to integrate Saliba or at least try else he looks the fool. This player will be worth 75 mil in two years and we’d get about 15-20 mil for him today.
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Re: William Saliba

Postby theHotHead » Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:35 pm

Ach wrote:
Reiss wrote:Looks like he's coming back and Arteta is keen to integrate him.

So much nonsense about Arteta not being keen. Looks like it's the opposite- he can't wait to have him in the squad.

Last 2 years says hi

LOOOOL !!!

He was made to look an arse, no surprise he is keen to have him back
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Re: William Saliba

Postby theHotHead » Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:38 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
TedLasso wrote:The Nice loan debacle is a real strike against Arteta but loaning him to Marseille has been nothing but a success. The player got a ton of minutes for a CL squad and now comes back better than ever. We absolutely need to keep him this summer unless some team comes in with 50m. Too bad no one in France has any money except PSG.


Footballing wise, and for Saliba, it's been fabulous, paid EPL wages to learn his trade in a far easier league.

What we should have done, and what all well managed clubs do, is have made him sign a two year extension BEFORE agreeing to a loan to Marseille. Now all the increased value, built up by Saliba on the Arsenal shilling, belongs to him not to Arsenal. Yes he might now sign a new contract, but he might not, we no longer have any leverage as we did last summer. Even if he does it will be on a salary double or triple what it would have been 12 months ago.

We continue to manage contract basics badly, it's hard to understand why we never seem to learn.

I can only assume they have the same brain as my 12 year old daughter. She continues to make the same mistakes and then gets surprised when she gets in trouble :rofll:
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Re: William Saliba

Postby TedLasso » Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:22 pm

theHotHead wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
TedLasso wrote:The Nice loan debacle is a real strike against Arteta but loaning him to Marseille has been nothing but a success. The player got a ton of minutes for a CL squad and now comes back better than ever. We absolutely need to keep him this summer unless some team comes in with 50m. Too bad no one in France has any money except PSG.


Footballing wise, and for Saliba, it's been fabulous, paid EPL wages to learn his trade in a far easier league.

What we should have done, and what all well managed clubs do, is have made him sign a two year extension BEFORE agreeing to a loan to Marseille. Now all the increased value, built up by Saliba on the Arsenal shilling, belongs to him not to Arsenal. Yes he might now sign a new contract, but he might not, we no longer have any leverage as we did last summer. Even if he does it will be on a salary double or triple what it would have been 12 months ago.

We continue to manage contract basics badly, it's hard to understand why we never seem to learn.

I can only assume they have the same brain as my 12 year old daughter. She continues to make the same mistakes and then gets surprised when she gets in trouble :rofll:


To be fair, you probably discipline your daughter when she makes mistakes. Don't think the Kroenke's know what discipline is.
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Re: William Saliba

Postby Massa » Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:24 pm

Saliba gonna be saucy next to White sorry Gabby
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Re: William Saliba

Postby Reiss » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:46 am

About to be offered a new contract apparently.

Puts to bed all of the nonsense about Arteta not wanting him and how we're about to lose him for nothing.

All that hysteria about nothing, as usual.
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Re: William Saliba

Postby EliteKiller » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:03 am

Reiss wrote:About to be offered a new contract apparently.

Puts to bed all of the nonsense about Arteta not wanting him and how we're about to lose him for nothing.

All that hysteria about nothing, as usual.


Depends what the contract is - a buy out clause for 25m next summer - you good with that? Hysteria is when you make wild claims without knowing the facts ... as you just did.

Of course we will offer him a new contract - remember it's club policy to extend contracts before they drop below 24 months, or to sell the player that summer - not that we have the balls to stick with that.
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Re: William Saliba

Postby Reiss » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:05 am

EliteKiller wrote:
Reiss wrote:About to be offered a new contract apparently.

Puts to bed all of the nonsense about Arteta not wanting him and how we're about to lose him for nothing.

All that hysteria about nothing, as usual.


Depends what the contract is - a buy out clause for 25m next summer - you good with that? Hysteria is when you make wild claims without knowing the facts ... as you just did.


You suggesting we'd put a 25m buy out clause into a contract for one of the world's most talented CB's is utter hysteria so thanks for proving my point.
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Re: William Saliba

Postby EliteKiller » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:08 am

Reiss wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
Reiss wrote:About to be offered a new contract apparently.

Puts to bed all of the nonsense about Arteta not wanting him and how we're about to lose him for nothing.

All that hysteria about nothing, as usual.


Depends what the contract is - a buy out clause for 25m next summer - you good with that? Hysteria is when you make wild claims without knowing the facts ... as you just did.


I think you suggesting we'd put a 25m buy out clause into a contract for one of the world's most talented CB's is utter hysteria.


Did I suggest that? I said before getting all hysterical let's see what he wants in order to sign this new contract - his agent will no doubt want a release clause, just as Saka's agent does - neither player will want to be here in 12 months time if we're still not in the CL.
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Re: William Saliba

Postby Reiss » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:11 am

EliteKiller wrote:
Reiss wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
Reiss wrote:About to be offered a new contract apparently.

Puts to bed all of the nonsense about Arteta not wanting him and how we're about to lose him for nothing.

All that hysteria about nothing, as usual.


Depends what the contract is - a buy out clause for 25m next summer - you good with that? Hysteria is when you make wild claims without knowing the facts ... as you just did.


I think you suggesting we'd put a 25m buy out clause into a contract for one of the world's most talented CB's is utter hysteria.


Did I suggest that? I said before getting all hysterical let's see what he wants in order to sign this new contract - his agent will no doubt want a release clause, just as Saka's agent does - neither player will want to be here in 12 months time if we're still not in the CL.


Yes you did.

And once again more hysteria about his agent wanting a release clause.
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Re: William Saliba

Postby EliteKiller » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:14 am

Reiss wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
Reiss wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
Reiss wrote:About to be offered a new contract apparently.

Puts to bed all of the nonsense about Arteta not wanting him and how we're about to lose him for nothing.

All that hysteria about nothing, as usual.


Depends what the contract is - a buy out clause for 25m next summer - you good with that? Hysteria is when you make wild claims without knowing the facts ... as you just did.


I think you suggesting we'd put a 25m buy out clause into a contract for one of the world's most talented CB's is utter hysteria.


Did I suggest that? I said before getting all hysterical let's see what he wants in order to sign this new contract - his agent will no doubt want a release clause, just as Saka's agent does - neither player will want to be here in 12 months time if we're still not in the CL.


Yes you did.

And once again more hysteria about his agent wanting a release clause.


Read slowly - let's see what he wants in order to sign this new contract - there's no point getting hysterical about how good/bad it will be .... that's if it even happens.
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