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Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby Jack The Ripper » Wed May 08, 2019 12:46 am

I have been so critical of us not buying prem players, always buying players from foreign clubs that never played in the prem and to be honest we don't have a clue if they are any good. You can sign players from abroad but I really think its important we also sign players in the prem

Liverpool have done this perfectly.. Milner, Robertson, Van Dijk, Henderson, Lallana, Ox, Shaqiri, Sturridge, Lovren, Mane, Wijnaldum , among others.

They do it on purpose, look to get guys from the prem.. and we don't do this, its always some random youtube player like Seri we want, who we don't have a clue about and could be garbage or a find LOL.

We need to see what is staring right in front of us...........
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby ag6789 » Wed May 08, 2019 2:02 am

Yes, some from Prem some from abroad, but always quality.
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby CrimsonGunner11 » Wed May 08, 2019 2:55 am

Good deals can be found domestically and abroad. It’s up to our scouts to do their homework
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby Fran Solo » Wed May 08, 2019 3:05 am

CrimsonGunner11 wrote:Good deals can be found domestically and abroad. It’s up to our scouts to do their homework


...and it's up to our owner to do their homework as well... which means opening their wallet. Robertson was a great deal, but the others like Mane and Van Dijk were expensive.
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby Mike Dean » Wed May 08, 2019 3:13 am

It isnt just about the players or where they come from.

It's also what you do with them.

Klopp is the biggest reason they are good.
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby LMAO » Wed May 08, 2019 4:06 am

Mike Dean wrote:It isnt just about the players or where they come from.

It's also what you do with them.

Klopp is the biggest reason they are good.


This.
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby LMAO » Wed May 08, 2019 4:09 am

Also @ Zedie:
You keep erroneously saying that those who don't want Emery as Arsenal head coach would've wanted Klopp out after one season because he finished 8th. Don't you also frequently bring up the notion of context? So let's have a little look at it. Klopp was hired on October 8. Eight games had already been played. Without a preseason with the players and a summer to bring in some of his players, here's the table that season starting from when Klopp was hired:
1. Leicester - 66 pts (+30 GD)
2. Tottenham - 57 pts (+30 GD)
3. Arsenal - 55 pts (+23 GD)
4. Southampton - 51 pts (+15 GD)
5. Man Utd - 50 pts (+10 GD)
6. Man City - 48 pts (+18 GD)
7. Liverpool - 48 pts (+15 GD)
8. West Ham - 48 pts (+8 GD)

Again, this was without a preseason with the players and a summer to bring in some of his players. I'm going to assume from this that if Klopp was at Liverpool from June, he would've had them finish in a CL spot.

So once again, no, I wouldn't have wanted him out because he worked magic with that shit squad, and you could see his ideas already being implemented even though he didn't really have the players to do what he wanted.
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby Arsenal Tone » Wed May 08, 2019 5:56 am

Spending the bulk of their budget on a centre back is what has done it for them. For years we've gone for the cheap option and our centre backs have been full of mistakes because of it. VVD is the thing that has taken them to the next level.
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby Power n Glory » Wed May 08, 2019 6:25 am

Takes major faith from the Board to trust a manager with that sort of money for a CB and keeper. Takes major faith for a manager to stake his reputation on those players for that sort of money. Klopp knew those were the missing pieces to what needed and was willing to spend a ridiculous amount on them. These weren't obvious World Class players either because they hadn't won major silverware before with bigger clubs.
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby north bank gooner » Wed May 08, 2019 6:50 am

It's nothing to do with getting PL players in, it's about having the right scouting contacts. Guendozi whilst rough around the edges is a perfect example.

We need to trust our youth now Reiss Nelson, Smith Rowe, Zech Medley and a few others need to be risked in the PL. Thats the only way we will find out if they are good enough. I would have put Nelson in ahead of Mikhi or Iwobi this season if he was not loaned out.

Maitland Niles needs to be put into central midfield to play his preferred position ahead of Xhaka, who in my opinion is possibly one of the worst midfield signings of the last 20 years. Rob Holding when fit needs to start alongside Sokratis and form a partnership in CD.

There is loads of potential at the club, with a few additions and hopefully not losing Laca to Barca. We won't win the league next year but at least we will have a stronger spine and we will need that to stop getting turned over away from home week in week out.
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby Zedie » Wed May 08, 2019 6:54 am

LMAO wrote:Also @ Zedie:
You keep erroneously saying that those who don't want Emery as Arsenal head coach would've wanted Klopp out after one season because he finished 8th. Don't you also frequently bring up the notion of context? So let's have a little look at it. Klopp was hired on October 8. Eight games had already been played. Without a preseason with the players and a summer to bring in some of his players, here's the table that season starting from when Klopp was hired:
1. Leicester - 66 pts (+30 GD)
2. Tottenham - 57 pts (+30 GD)
3. Arsenal - 55 pts (+23 GD)
4. Southampton - 51 pts (+15 GD)
5. Man Utd - 50 pts (+10 GD)
6. Man City - 48 pts (+18 GD)
7. Liverpool - 48 pts (+15 GD)
8. West Ham - 48 pts (+8 GD)

Again, this was without a preseason with the players and a summer to bring in some of his players. I'm going to assume from this that if Klopp was at Liverpool from June, he would've had them finish in a CL spot.

So once again, no, I wouldn't have wanted him out because he worked magic with that shit squad, and you could see his ideas already being implemented even though he didn't really have the players to do what he wanted.


But you want Emery out because his ideas cant be seen and he has the players to do what he wants?

Mate.

Any reason anyone could give about keeping klopp in his first season can be said about Emery right now. He managed to drop a further position than where he started from. The same People 100% would be calling for his head.

"He nearly got Dortmund relegated, hes lost it, he cant do it anymore at the top table, we should have got arteta because he managed one game with pep in the stands and won".

People have the benefit of seeing klopps success at first hand after 4 years of winning f**k all and massive amounts of money and are so short sighted that they are comparing liverpool to emery and arsenal right now in this moment.

Emery has taken over from someone that has been here for 20 years, has their philosophy ingrained into the club, had the whole hierarchy change above and around him, had limited funds to plug some first team gaps.
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby Zedie » Wed May 08, 2019 7:07 am

Tony_Adams wrote:Spending the bulk of their budget on a centre back is what has done it for them. For years we've gone for the cheap option and our centre backs have been full of mistakes because of it. VVD is the thing that has taken them to the next level.


From since klopp joined, rooting out the dross and replacing them with proper players top to bottom is what's done it. Van dijk is the final piece. But you take him out, they aren't going to collapse because theres quality across the park. Same cant be said about us for the most part.

Wijnaldum, TAA, Gomez, Robertson, fabinho etc. Are head and shoulders above what we are putting out right now before you get to their front three or van dijk.
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby Dejan » Wed May 08, 2019 7:52 am

I think wijnaldum is the prime example of what Klopp can do with his players.

I love Gini but he isnt a worldbeater by any means. But Klopp gets out everything he has in him.
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby Power n Glory » Wed May 08, 2019 7:53 am

north bank gooner wrote:It's nothing to do with getting PL players in, it's about having the right scouting contacts. Guendozi whilst rough around the edges is a perfect example.

We need to trust our youth now Reiss Nelson, Smith Rowe, Zech Medley and a few others need to be risked in the PL. Thats the only way we will find out if they are good enough. I would have put Nelson in ahead of Mikhi or Iwobi this season if he was not loaned out.

Maitland Niles needs to be put into central midfield to play his preferred position ahead of Xhaka, who in my opinion is possibly one of the worst midfield signings of the last 20 years. Rob Holding when fit needs to start alongside Sokratis and form a partnership in CD.

There is loads of potential at the club, with a few additions and hopefully not losing Laca to Barca. We won't win the league next year but at least we will have a stronger spine and we will need that to stop getting turned over away from home week in week out.


Agree with a lot of that. Funny thing is I remember my mate watching the Pre season games and saying he noticed a huge difference between how the youth played compared to games and halves where the seniors came in to play. The lack of pressing amongst the senior players was more noticeable.
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Re: Liverpool does something critical that we don't

Postby Phil71 » Wed May 08, 2019 7:57 am

Power n Glory wrote:
north bank gooner wrote:It's nothing to do with getting PL players in, it's about having the right scouting contacts. Guendozi whilst rough around the edges is a perfect example.

We need to trust our youth now Reiss Nelson, Smith Rowe, Zech Medley and a few others need to be risked in the PL. Thats the only way we will find out if they are good enough. I would have put Nelson in ahead of Mikhi or Iwobi this season if he was not loaned out.

Maitland Niles needs to be put into central midfield to play his preferred position ahead of Xhaka, who in my opinion is possibly one of the worst midfield signings of the last 20 years. Rob Holding when fit needs to start alongside Sokratis and form a partnership in CD.

There is loads of potential at the club, with a few additions and hopefully not losing Laca to Barca. We won't win the league next year but at least we will have a stronger spine and we will need that to stop getting turned over away from home week in week out.


Agree with a lot of that. Funny thing is I remember my mate watching the Pre season games and saying he noticed a huge difference between how the youth played compared to games and halves where the seniors came in to play. The lack of pressing amongst the senior players was more noticeable.


And this is what has screwed Emery's plans big time.

He has abandoned the high press game plan he tried to use all season, because he doesn't have the players who are willing to do it. Willing to work their arses off for 90 minutes. We have too many players who say this is how I play, take it or leave it. They don't give a shit.
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