Emery Out

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Unai REMAINERS (IN)
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Santi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:41 pm

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LegendaryKeown wrote:For those saying Emery's football isn't... errr... exciting, can you tell me what's so different from Arsene's keep the f***ing ball approach? It's not like we're playing hoofball now


Would be interested to see the stats tbh, think we play a lot more long balls now.

Up to Auba mostly and out to the advanced full backs from the other side of the pitch. Plus if you compare to anything other than Wenger's last 2-3 years then this football is dog.


our xG this season after 19 games is ~28 goals with 41 scored

at this point last campaign our xG was ~38 with 34 scored

so our quality of chance has lowered or our standard of finishing has increased exponentially


Last season seems far more sustainable, got any trend in those stats over time? Would be worried that the finishing will dry up this season.
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Losmeister » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:42 pm

GW is world class whingeing...
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Santi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:43 pm

Losmeister wrote:GW is world class whingeing...



Well then like you just said about the quality of football, don't read it.


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Re: Emery Out

Postby Ach » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:44 pm

alexafc12 wrote:Sorry but to the above post ^^ Unai was happy to loan out Chambers & Bielik (CB) and Reiss (winger) so he can have no complaints about lack of depth tbh

Bielik lol
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Sims » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:45 pm

Santi wrote:
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LegendaryKeown wrote:For those saying Emery's football isn't... errr... exciting, can you tell me what's so different from Arsene's keep the f***ing ball approach? It's not like we're playing hoofball now


Would be interested to see the stats tbh, think we play a lot more long balls now.

Up to Auba mostly and out to the advanced full backs from the other side of the pitch. Plus if you compare to anything other than Wenger's last 2-3 years then this football is dog.


our xG this season after 19 games is ~28 goals with 41 scored

at this point last campaign our xG was ~38 with 34 scored

so our quality of chance has lowered or our standard of finishing has increased exponentially


Last season seems far more sustainable, got any trend in those stats over time? Would be worried that the finishing will dry up this season.


our goals to xG is pretty unsustainable, we're overperforming in finishing massively as much as City did last year and they finished as Champions, we're 5th

id suspect us to go on a dry run very soon if we continue to play like this. we dont really look menacing or incisive at all, its all mainly down to individual moments atm
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Arsenal Tone » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:45 pm

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alexafc12 wrote:Sorry but to the above post ^^ Unai was happy to loan out Chambers & Bielik (CB) and Reiss (winger) so he can have no complaints about lack of depth tbh

Bielik lol
What did reiss do before he went to germany too?
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Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Santi » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:47 pm

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alexafc12 wrote:Sorry but to the above post ^^ Unai was happy to loan out Chambers & Bielik (CB) and Reiss (winger) so he can have no complaints about lack of depth tbh

Bielik lol


Aye tbh, none of those guys would be playing if we'd kept them.


People need to stop going on about Nelson as well, he's doing good in Germany but he needed the game time and needs to stay out there rather than come here all hyped and expected to win us games on his own. Let him further his development, he already spent too long in the reserves.
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Ach » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:49 pm

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alexafc12 wrote:Sorry but to the above post ^^ Unai was happy to loan out Chambers & Bielik (CB) and Reiss (winger) so he can have no complaints about lack of depth tbh

Bielik lol
What did reiss do before he went to germany too?

Apparently he was awesome for us
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Cannoner » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:56 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:Anyone watch him at Sevilla or Valencia? Did the guy like pace and proper wingers.

I know he might not have a say in transfers but if It had of been me I would have insisted on buying a winger and keeping nelson to.

I would like to no if we have no wingers because of him because that is f***ing criminal going into a pl season without at least one proper wide player.


His favourite formation is 4-2-3-1 with proper wingers.

We have none.
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Re: Emery Out

Postby alexafc12 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:58 pm

I have no issue with Reiss going out on loan, & i think it was the right call, but my issue is, if we're going to keep basing our attacking tactics on wing play then we need to be playing with bloody wingers. Reiss is the only winger in the first team and we loan him out.

And to answer those that say his idea is to play with full backs, well then that almost always means playing with 3 CB's, which would then make the decision to loan out Chambers daft

It doesn't add up
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Re: Emery Out

Postby alexafc12 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:59 pm

He needs to decide what formation he wants as his base and build his team around that rather than this frantic chop and change which is pissing every one off and not allowing us to build any momentum and develop partnerships in defence / midfield / attack
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Cannoner » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:01 pm

If Emery goes can he take gunnersaurus with him?
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Luzh 22 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:01 pm

Is it not possible to play more than one formation then? Who made up that rule?
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Pudpop » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:02 pm

Santi wrote:
Sims wrote:
Santi wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:For those saying Emery's football isn't... errr... exciting, can you tell me what's so different from Arsene's keep the f***ing ball approach? It's not like we're playing hoofball now


Would be interested to see the stats tbh, think we play a lot more long balls now.

Up to Auba mostly and out to the advanced full backs from the other side of the pitch. Plus if you compare to anything other than Wenger's last 2-3 years then this football is dog.


our xG this season after 19 games is ~28 goals with 41 scored

at this point last campaign our xG was ~38 with 34 scored

so our quality of chance has lowered or our standard of finishing has increased exponentially


Last season seems far more sustainable, got any trend in those stats over time? Would be worried that the finishing will dry up this season.


You can check the trends here.

In terms of whether or not our finishing will dry up this season there's a good argument to say that Auba will not maintain this for the season. He's only ever over-performed xG once since 2014/15 and that was by 0.6 goals, which is minimal. For comparison, Kane has overperformed xG by at least 2.27 in every season since then. Of course, this doesn't necessarily say everything about their performances. Auba's talent is his positioning and poaching, so his finishing ability isn't as important as it is to Kane since he gets better chances.

But long story short the statistics say that Auba isn't likely to maintain his current goalscoring form unless we create more chances for him.

On the other hand, Lacazette usually overperforms xG (and there was a StatsBomb article which claims hes among the best finishers in the world.) and he's carried on that form this season. It would be unreasonable to expect Laca to score more frequently than he's currently doing based on the service he gets, but it is reasonable to expect him to carry on this rate based on his past performances.

The rest of the team has 18 goals from 13,78 xG (ignoring own goals). This is mainly down to Ozil and Xhaka who together have 5 goals for 1.59 xG. Obviously, Xhaka's 2 goals have been low chance free kicks. Ozil's 3 goals have simply been precise finishes, and based on how few shots he takes it's difficult to say for certain whether or not we can reasonably expect him to maintain this. What we can say is that he's performed this well before in 2016/17, so there's no reason to think he can't do it again.

So to summarise, Laca is scoring above xG but that isn't abnormal for him. The rest of the team is scoring abov xG but that is because of Xhaka's freekicks, Ozil's finishes and and inflated number of goals from OG's. Lastly Auba is scoring above xG, and this is potentially worrying as he has never maintained that over a full season.

tl;dr, create more chances for Auba and there's no reason we can't replicate this scoring form in the second half of the season.
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:02 pm

Sims wrote:
Ach wrote:
Sims wrote:added to the list of emery excuses

- a player "reeks of wenger"

wonder what next weeks one will be

Your refusal to see what is right in front of you is pretty sad tbh

I know you love Wenger but im an Arsenal fan. If you cant see how he left this club then dear god.

It will take more than 7 months to fix this ffs


mustve imagined lichsteiner played for wenger before he decided to set up locadia with a tap in

hes a big mean unai emery guy but he;s also stepanovs level of shite


I thought Emery wasn't in charge of transfers?

Isn't that what you and everyone else has been saying, so how is Lichsteiner an Emery player?
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