Emery Out

The Manager Referendum

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Re: Emery Out

Postby Jase89 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:22 pm

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swipe right wrote:Real, Barca and Bayern are struggling to find quality managers. What chance do we have? Complete stupidity letting Wenger go during a managerial drought.


Sorry but that's just not true, there's Ancelotti, Mourinho, Simeone, Allegri (to name just a few) who are all proven and consistently kept winning and being competitive, they didn't go 15 years not competing and regressing like Wenger.

Best thing we could have done is got rid of Wenger, even now it's still the best thing, since we got rid we've sold off a lot of deadwood and that's a big plus, this would have never happened with Wenger around.

You only need to look at what's happened since he left, he hasnt got one management job and in the end had to settle for a completely different job as no decent club wanted to employ him.

We had plenty of opportunities to get rid of Wenger and should have years before we did, but time and time again we didn't, i personally would never want Wenger back.


I very much doubt Simeone would leave his beloved athletico for Arsenal. Don’t want Mourinho, and Alegri was at Juve where they could bring almost anyone they want, so isnt really proven at a team that’s struggling.
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Arsenal Tone » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:25 pm

swipe right wrote:Real, Barca and Bayern are struggling to find quality managers. What chance do we have? Complete stupidity letting Wenger go during a managerial drought.
Should have sacked Wenger when Klopp was looking for a move
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Re: Emery Out

Postby DiamondGooner » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:32 pm

Tony_Adams wrote:
swipe right wrote:Real, Barca and Bayern are struggling to find quality managers. What chance do we have? Complete stupidity letting Wenger go during a managerial drought.
Should have sacked Wenger when Klopp was looking for a move


Exactly, because we let that dried up man stay on past his prime is why we lost out on the best manager in World football!!

.......... this is also the reason why most fans hate Wengerites, the amount of damage they've supported to this club by giving approval to mediocrity is why we've become the joke that we are.
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Re: Emery Out

Postby VCC » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:45 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:
swipe right wrote:Real, Barca and Bayern are struggling to find quality managers. What chance do we have? Complete stupidity letting Wenger go during a managerial drought.
Should have sacked Wenger when Klopp was looking for a move


Exactly, because we let that dried up man stay on past his prime is why we lost out on the best manager in World football!!

.......... this is also the reason why most fans hate Wengerites, the amount of damage they've supported to this club by giving approval to mediocrity is why we've become the joke that we are.

Support mediocrity and you become mediocre.
I dont think peeps realise it's no longer a manager or players that need an over haul, it's the whole club culture the work ethic has gone, we aim at the middle point of everything, but pay to the highest extreme
It may be a transfer we tend to pay over the odds
Wages are over inflated for the ability of our players
Yet when we sell we sell low all due to work ethic the whole clubs runs at the bare minimum input imo
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Re: Emery Out

Postby swipe right » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:03 am

This is all the stuff of fantasy. We could’ve gotten Klopp and we could’ve gotten Simeone. Wenger is gone and we are scrapping sixth in the weakest league season ever. Please spare me the joke about how we are now in a better position. Whether we keep emery or replace him we will be yearning for what we criticized Wenger for which is getting top four. In eighteen months our ambition has gone from top four is not good enough to god just give us top four.
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Re: Emery Out

Postby DiamondGooner » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:13 am

swipe right wrote:This is all the stuff of fantasy. We could’ve gotten Klopp and we could’ve gotten Simeone. Wenger is gone and we are scrapping sixth in the weakest league season ever. Please spare me the joke about how we are now in a better position. Whether we keep emery or replace him we will be yearning for what we criticized Wenger for which is getting top four. In eighteen months our ambition has gone from top four is not good enough to god just give us top four.


But he didn't get top 4 you bloody tw*t!

That was the whole issue, don't ask us to judge your idol on stuff he did 10 years ago, we had been dropping down the ranks steadily for the last 5-6 years.

We used to be top 2, then we were top 3, then we were fighting tooth and nail for top 4 and then eventually the time we all saw coming, came and we were 6th so we weren't top fkin 4 were we?

He let us slip year in year because he got arrogant and uncompetitive.

Where Wenger used to be cutting edge in football, he ended up a bitter, resentful man who blamed his misfortune on other clubs spending more money than he wanted to or setting up their teams with more purpose.

His time ran out so don't try and re-write history.

When's the last time under Wenger Arsenal looked anything like as good as Klopps Liverpool do today? 7 years ago maybe? more?
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Re: Emery Out

Postby swipe right » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:56 am

Wenger missed top four twice in 22 years. That’s 9% of the time. Once by a single point. Would you like to be judged on what you do 9% of the time or 91% of the time?

The only clubs that have won the league in Wengers 22 seasons are United, City, Chelsea and Leicester. With the exception of Leicester, don’t you think superior finances had a role to play? You think City went from being relegation fodder to the team to beat by superior management?

You ask why Wenger doesn’t have a new job in management. I’d ask the same for Mourinho. Why isn’t the 21st century’s most successful manager a shoe-in for the Bayern job or for the Arsenal job for that matter? This is a guy who won the premier league 3 times in the last 12 years. It’s because power today rests in the board room. Guys like Rummenigge and Snaheli will not allow other power centers. Hell, Snaheli isn’t allowing David O’Leary on the board. Talk about being insecure.

Of course Wenger was a diminished force. At 70 it’s time to retire not go seeking these crazy challenges. But the club never had a plan for that. It was a power grab by Gazidis and nothing more. How is it that you guys don’t see that?
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Mike Dean » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:57 am

Water bottles lol...

This guy should stay in Spain.

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Re: Emery Out

Postby Ach » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:00 am

People are actually criticising him for trying to speak English lol

Embarassing.
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Phil71 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:48 am

If you want to compare Emery to Wenger just use this method.

Wenger last two seasons - failure.
Emery first two seasons - failure.
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Salibatelli » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:51 am

swipe right wrote:Wenger missed top four twice in 22 years. That’s 9% of the time. Once by a single point. Would you like to be judged on what you do 9% of the time or 91% of the time?

The only clubs that have won the league in Wengers 22 seasons are United, City, Chelsea and Leicester. With the exception of Leicester, don’t you think superior finances had a role to play? You think City went from being relegation fodder to the team to beat by superior management?

You ask why Wenger doesn’t have a new job in management. I’d ask the same for Mourinho. Why isn’t the 21st century’s most successful manager a shoe-in for the Bayern job or for the Arsenal job for that matter? This is a guy who won the premier league 3 times in the last 12 years. It’s because power today rests in the board room. Guys like Rummenigge and Snaheli will not allow other power centers. Hell, Snaheli isn’t allowing David O’Leary on the board. Talk about being insecure.

Of course Wenger was a diminished force. At 70 it’s time to retire not go seeking these crazy challenges. But the club never had a plan for that. It was a power grab by Gazidis and nothing more. How is it that you guys don’t see that?


Top 4 isn't success, so to look at how much he did or didn't miss out on top 4 isn't relevant, who actually values top 4, since when did coming 4th become a measuring stick, it's basically all about money and for us there was never any progression, we got top 4 then got hammered in the CL latter stages time and time again, it was basically all about money and the fans don't care about that.

The fact is for many years Wenger wasn't challenging for the major prizes, he was scraping into the top 4 and the cycle of qualifying getting through the group and getting thrashed time and time again continued, in fact in his whole time with us, despite so many opportunities he never managed to win a European trophy, you won't find many managers that have had so many opportunities and failed.

Finances play their part, but it's not the be all and end all, we have enough money as a club to bring the right players in and compete, Liverpool are doing it, they won the CL, were in the final the season before and are challenging for the league every season now, Leicester won it and now are flying high again, Chelsea have won it with various managers ad have won the CL and now only because of money. Money plays its part but in the end it's about having the right manager.

Mourinho has not worked for a year, but I think he made it clear he wanted a break, Wenger never took that stance, he always maintained there were plenty of options open to him and that he couldn't live with football in his day to day life, then low an behold 18 months later still with no job in management he takes a job unrelated to this.

It's neither here nor there however, Wenger was a spent force at management level, but in all truth we should have changed manager quite a few years ago, I do agree we never had a plan, but that sums up this club, it never does it just reacts to events around the time, there's no plan of any kind for the future when it comes to the manager or indeed transfers and that's why we fail.

Keeping Emery on is another sign of that, if we got rid now we could find a new manager and give him this season to get to know the squad and try to qualify for the CL and then be ready for the summer so that he can identify what he needs, thus allowing him to go into next season ready to go, instead we'll probably keep Emery, fall away and by the time we do get rid the club will be in a worse state than now.
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Re: Emery Out

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:25 am

swipe right wrote:Wenger missed top four twice in 22 years. That’s 9% of the time. Once by a single point. Would you like to be judged on what you do 9% of the time or 91% of the time?

The only clubs that have won the league in Wengers 22 seasons are United, City, Chelsea and Leicester. With the exception of Leicester, don’t you think superior finances had a role to play? You think City went from being relegation fodder to the team to beat by superior management?

You ask why Wenger doesn’t have a new job in management. I’d ask the same for Mourinho. Why isn’t the 21st century’s most successful manager a shoe-in for the Bayern job or for the Arsenal job for that matter? This is a guy who won the premier league 3 times in the last 12 years. It’s because power today rests in the board room. Guys like Rummenigge and Snaheli will not allow other power centers. Hell, Snaheli isn’t allowing David O’Leary on the board. Talk about being insecure.

Of course Wenger was a diminished force. At 70 it’s time to retire not go seeking these crazy challenges. But the club never had a plan for that. It was a power grab by Gazidis and nothing more. How is it that you guys don’t see that?


Wenger was good for 7 years.
He inherited an excellent squad.
He had contacts in France which enabled him to sign some top players to enhance the squad.
He brought in new methods to diet and fitness.

Once he had his team - one with all his players - and the rest of England caught up on the diet and fitness side, he was sunk.
His signings in his last 10 years were generally awful.
His football was boring.
He basically stayed at the club 10 years too long and we're paying for that now and will be for another generation.
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Re: Emery Out

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:55 pm

swipe right wrote:Im afraid both you fine gentlemen are wrong. It’s dated thinking to believe that all you need to do is organize the defense and the attack will take care of itself. Today’s teams work on a tight coordination between intercepting the ball and cycling it back to the forward line. It’s how teams like Liverpool, City and even Leicester go back to front in seconds. The failure of Emery is not knowing what to do once his team intercepts the ball. How do Guendozi, Torreira etc create chances for Auba and Laca? It is far more nuanced than just sort out the defense.

I was specifically referring to the fact Emery has done f**k all. He has made us defensively worse and offensively blunt. Allardyce - by getting us some defensive shape - would automatically have made us a better team than Emery.
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Re: Emery Out

Postby theHotHead » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:55 pm

Holdini wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Exactly. Allardyce would've done better than Emery cos he can get a team to defend. The firepower up front would take care of itself.


:rofll:

Whats funny?
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Re: Emery Out

Postby Phil71 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:59 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Holdini wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Exactly. Allardyce would've done better than Emery cos he can get a team to defend. The firepower up front would take care of itself.


:rofll:

Whats funny?


It's an inherent prejudice many football fans have against British managers. It's snobbery really. Not exotic enough.

Allardyce himself said some years ago that if his name was Sam Allardicci he'd have got a top job in the PL.

Right now he'd do a better job at both Man Utd and Arsenal than the foreign managers they have in place.
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