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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:50 am

Özim wrote:
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Özim wrote:He basically created the goal, say what you like about him but he scores and creates goals and got Arteta out of jail.

Yes he’s not worth 72 million (we knew we’d overpaid the minute we bought him) but he does a job, when he gets a chance, his career is always start stop though as he gets picked, scores or creates and gets dropped again.


Arteta picked him, coaches him and motivates him... right?
So it's Arteta that takes the credit, right?

Hard to follow the shifting sands at the bottom of your trench. Every time something good happens you shovel a bit deeper.

Pepe was quite frustrating to watch yesterday but at least he did put a lot of effort and persistence in all game. Arteta has him motivated and Arteta also had him playing much better at the end of last season. Hopefully Arteta can continue to work his magic on Pepe and get the best out of him.


Pepe hasn’t improved if anything Pepe was better before he came to Arsenal, Arteta has been chopping and changing him since he arrived even when he’s played well, I don’t see that as good management.


Ah, the old 'in spite of Arteta' narrative.
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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby Salibatelli » Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:01 am

jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Özim wrote:He basically created the goal, say what you like about him but he scores and creates goals and got Arteta out of jail.

Yes he’s not worth 72 million (we knew we’d overpaid the minute we bought him) but he does a job, when he gets a chance, his career is always start stop though as he gets picked, scores or creates and gets dropped again.


Arteta picked him, coaches him and motivates him... right?
So it's Arteta that takes the credit, right?

Hard to follow the shifting sands at the bottom of your trench. Every time something good happens you shovel a bit deeper.

Pepe was quite frustrating to watch yesterday but at least he did put a lot of effort and persistence in all game. Arteta has him motivated and Arteta also had him playing much better at the end of last season. Hopefully Arteta can continue to work his magic on Pepe and get the best out of him.


Pepe hasn’t improved if anything Pepe was better before he came to Arsenal, Arteta has been chopping and changing him since he arrived even when he’s played well, I don’t see that as good management.


Ah, the old 'in spite of Arteta' narrative.
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Not my fault the bloke is clueless, just one of those facts of life, some people aren’t meant to be managers, he’s one of them, he’s better of as a number letting the big boys make the important decisions.
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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby theHotHead » Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:17 am

jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Pepe and Saka are the only players we have who can beat players through trickery and create something out of nothing. Pepe is young enough to be coached to improve his decision making, this is where a good manager/coach earns their corn, Pepe should be improving. You just need to look at the likes of Pep and Klopp to see it at the highest level, Wenger too, but you don't have to be an elite manager to be able to do it, every good manager has the ability if they know what they are doing.


Pepe improved significantly at the end of last season and Saka played so well he not only got called up for England but started games in a major competition.

Also both put lofts of effort into yesterday's game and kept going for 90 minutes even when they didn't quite have things work for them.

So, credit to Arteta, yes?

Jay, I don't mean improved from his opening gambit as an Arsenal player to putting in performances he should be putting in at the very least, I mean improving a player's ability. Example, look jow good Sterling was at Liverpool when they sold him to Man City, Pep has improved his Liverpool level, he is a totally improved player. Pepe at his French club in his last season was a phenom, for Arteta to improve him Pepe needs to exceed the level he was at there.

You can't call underperforming (new club/language/country/culture etc) then a slight improvement in form but still performing way below your level as an improvement or one that should be credited to Arteta!!
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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby theHotHead » Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:22 am

And no im not willing to credit Arteta for Saka, in the same way I was not willing to credit Emery for Saka. Saka has shown natural development from day one, getting game time has been his development. What has Emery or Arteta developed in Saka? You could see his talent in his first game, the same goes for ESR.

Pep gets the props for developing Sterling because Pep has developed his technical ability, the fundamentals, his decision making, he has taken the time to tell Sterling what he should be doing. Sterling's improvement was not down to natural development.
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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:26 am

theHotHead wrote:
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theHotHead wrote:Pepe and Saka are the only players we have who can beat players through trickery and create something out of nothing. Pepe is young enough to be coached to improve his decision making, this is where a good manager/coach earns their corn, Pepe should be improving. You just need to look at the likes of Pep and Klopp to see it at the highest level, Wenger too, but you don't have to be an elite manager to be able to do it, every good manager has the ability if they know what they are doing.


Pepe improved significantly at the end of last season and Saka played so well he not only got called up for England but started games in a major competition.

Also both put lofts of effort into yesterday's game and kept going for 90 minutes even when they didn't quite have things work for them.

So, credit to Arteta, yes?

Jay, I don't mean improved from his opening gambit as an Arsenal player to putting in performances he should be putting in at the very least, I mean improving a player's ability. Example, look jow good Sterling was at Liverpool when they sold him to Man City, Pep has improved his Liverpool level, he is a totally improved player. Pepe at his French club in his last season was a phenom, for Arteta to improve him Pepe needs to exceed the level he was at there.

You can't call underperforming (new club/language/country/culture etc) then a slight improvement in form but still performing way below your level as an improvement or one that should be credited to Arteta!!


Well, now you are just modifying the criteria to suit an argument.
Has he got better than when he first started under Emery and his initial period under Arteta?
The answer is yes he has.
Especially so in the latter half of last year.

So how do you reconcile an improvement in a player with no credit to the manager given you have previously made it clear that everything is ultimately down to the manager? You are just writing off improvement because it's not to 100% potential. That's just an easy and convenient way to stay entrenched and give no credit at all to the manager under any circumstances but perfection. Poor.
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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:28 am

theHotHead wrote:And no im not willing to credit Arteta for Saka, in the same way I was not willing to credit Emery for Saka. Saka has shown natural development from day one, getting game time has been his development. What has Emery or Arteta developed in Saka? You could see his talent in his first game, the same goes for ESR.

Pep gets the props for developing Sterling because Pep has developed his technical ability, the fundamentals, his decision making, he has taken the time to tell Sterling what he should be doing. Sterling's improvement was not down to natural development.


Again - a player does well you put it down to the player. A player does poorly you put it down to the manager.
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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby alexafc12 » Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:24 pm

Time for us to part ways ?

How much longer do we give him ? If we don't see him soon then we have to give him a new contract.
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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby Ach » Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:28 pm

Needs to start. Looked far better when he was on
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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby jayramfootball » Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:29 pm

Ach wrote:Needs to start. Looked far better when he was on


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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby ag6789 » Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:32 pm

Been poor so far this season. Need to pull up his socks to get back to last season's level.
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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby Nuggets » Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:07 pm

Ach wrote:Needs to start. Looked far better when he was on
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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby thebigbangtheo » Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:39 pm

As a former coach I for one would be rather intrigued to see exactly what this fella might be capable of producing if played as the central striker instead of as a wide forward.

Alexis Sanchez was one of the very best of that ilk who could be equally as deadly from the touch line as he was from inside the box, an effective tactic now being brilliantly utilised by Liverpool with Mane and Salah.

Admittedly, Pepe's pace, trickery and unpredictability would not be a guarantee of bamboozled centre backs parting like the Red Sea to permit clear sights of goals, but a shit load of free kicks not too dissimilar to that gained at Burnley should be incoming at the very least.
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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:42 pm

thebigbangtheo wrote:As a former coach I for one would be rather intrigued to see exactly what this fella might be capable of producing if played as the central striker instead of as a wide forward.

Alexis Sanchez was one of the very best of that ilk who could be equally as deadly from the touch line as he was from inside the box, an effective tactic now being brilliantly utilised by Liverpool with Mane and Salah.

Admittedly, Pepe's pace, trickery and unpredictability would not be a guarantee of bamboozled centre backs parting like the Red Sea to permit clear sights of goals, but a shit load of free kicks not too dissimilar to that gained at Burnley should be incoming at the very least.


He would be awful as a striker. His first touch is heavy, and he is always looking to cut in on his left, it's very predictable.

His best role is RW, where he's played his whole time here. The problem is that Saka is much more useful in that position.
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Re: Nicolas Pépé (19)

Postby ag6789 » Wed Oct 06, 2021 5:10 pm

He is a far cry from Alexis Sanchez. He has ways to go to come anywhere close to Sanchez's control, dribble, shooting and overall football sense.
Let him do properly the couple of things he seems to know, and try to keep the opponent wing backs busy.
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