Mattéo Guendouzi

[ag6789]

His attitude is great, and that's what we need. Unlike seniors like Ozil, Xhaka, etc.

[coolaa]

This is the only midfielder in our team who can intercept, not afraid of challenge 50/50, can skip pass one or two components in midfield and pass the ball forward. Perhaps AMN, Iowbi and Torreira can all do that, it is only the senior midfielder players letting us down

[island_gunner]

“It’s true there were a lot of clubs interested in me; I had talks with some of the biggest clubs in Europe, but as soon as I heard from Arsenal, the decision was very simple & I’m very happy to be here.”

[thebigbangtheo]

If he is good enough he is old enough, I don't buy into this. "he is too young" argument, lots of players have made massive impacts in first team football as teenagers!

No reason he can't be a starter in the first team, he already has more ability than half of our CMs.

I too believe in that old adage, but my issue is not with his age or ability but level of experience. Different pressure to have put in some good sub appearances in the prem and thus earned the opportunity to start, than that going into our first couple of games with too much expectation on you.

Unless we were talking about Mbappe, if it was suggested that we'd be starting the season with a sub £10M French teenager only a few short weeks ago, there would have been a holy inquest into why we hadn't got an experienced, finished article and no doubt raised some fears that Wenger hadn't really left the building.

I hear you but I don't think experience matters for the very reason that, if you are good enough - you are good enough !! The Premier League has a long history of fantastic teenagers cutting their teeth in the first team and doing fantastically well ... with no experience.

I hear you too and maybe the years of watching talented players fail to fulfill their early promise has left me overly cautious about relying on inexperienced youth. Remember, only 3 years ago Iwobi broke through and was doing the biz, at times looking like a star in the making, but mentioning him now normally results in pure dogs abuse.

Trust me, I really like the look of this kid big time, but considering our situation in the cold light of day I would rather we purchased the likes of an Nzonzi to play alongside Torriera and virtually guarantee a solid base to our midfield and the effective shield for our defense that we clearly need.

Guendouzi being back up to such a pair would not be detrimental to his development but the opposite, especially if he is to start games in the Europa, F.A and and league cups.

What I would hate to see is us start the season with Torriera and Guendouzi, the former get injured and for us then to be reliant on the kid partnered with Xhaka or Elneny for a period of time in the league. We need to balance calculated risks against good long term planning.

One game played. The promise and positivity gained from his pre-season showing have now been weighed and measured against being at fault for the first goal, involvement in Cech's near own goal and a couple of misplaced passes that could have lead to more goals against had City been up for laying down a big sky blue marker on our arse.

It was this sort of scenario that I had my concerns about and why I referenced experience against age, as I do think he's good enough.

15 year old Cesc had PV4, Pires, DB10, Henry, Campbell, Gilberto Silva, Toure etc as his big brothers, uncles and godfathers to protect him and provide the platform for him show his wares and announce his arrival. His lack of experience was so readily tempered by his supporting cast as it were so as to make it an irrelevance almost.

Guendouzi had no one, not even his captain(s) to help him out so that he too could have a good stage from which to showcase his talent progressively.

If we were vying to be the best engineering manufacturers in the land, I could then fully appreciate and understand the need to test things to their destruction and gain something from it.

[Arsene Nose]

Has Guendozi been prioritized over Torreira? If he and Xhaka start against Chelsea it will be quite devastating for Torreira.

[Dejan]

Its a matter of time before xhaka gets dropped to the bench

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[Arsene Nose]

Somehow Xhaka never gets the chop. I l think managers value his ability to play forward passes from deep.

[DiamondGooner]

Somehow Xhaka never gets the chop. I l think managers value his ability to play forward passes from deep.

No, its quite easy to see the real reason.

We paid £35m for him, the manager's are tasked by the club to make him look like he's worth £35m rather than the £15m he actually performs like.

Its a matter of financial loss for the club and both Wenger and Emery have been asked to help the club not lose £20m by making him a success.

Remember we are a self sustained model so the managers have to waist as much time making players like Iwobi, Xhaka and co look valuable as they do just trying to win games.

[Santi]

Torreira's passing was fine when he came on as well, he'll be in for Xhaka when fully ready and/or Ramsey when he inevitably pulls his hamstring again

[KG3]

“It’s true there were a lot of clubs interested in me; I had talks with some of the biggest clubs in Europe, but as soon as I heard from Arsenal, the decision was very simple & I’m very happy to be here.”

Nice to know that we can't still attract young talents, but then again he's probably just being smart seeing as our midfield is the worst out of the top teams interested in him thus guaranteeing me game time which he wouldn't get at the other top clubs, so by the time he's entering his prime he'll probs leave us for a bigger club/higher wages, I hope I'm wrong though and it's not the same old story.

[Arsene Nose]

Somehow Xhaka never gets the chop. I l think managers value his ability to play forward passes from deep.

No, its quite easy to see the real reason.

We paid £35m for him, the manager's are tasked by the club to make him look like he's worth £35m rather than the £15m he actually performs like.

Its a matter of financial loss for the club and both Wenger and Emery have been asked to help the club not lose £20m by making him a success.

Remember we are a self sustained model so the managers have to waist as much time making players like Iwobi, Xhaka and co look valuable as they do just trying to win games.

It’s not that simple. He was highly sought after when we bought him with even Bayern considering him as a replacement for Xabi Alonso. Problem is his game hasn’t improved. He reads the game well, is technically strong from a passing standpoint but his instinct is not to go after the ball. That’s a problem given how we set up. I’d rather see him and Torreira than Gendo and Torreira. Hopefully this weekend.

[thebigbangtheo]

Somehow Xhaka never gets the chop. I l think managers value his ability to play forward passes from deep.

No, its quite easy to see the real reason.

We paid £35m for him, the manager's are tasked by the club to make him look like he's worth £35m rather than the £15m he actually performs like.

Its a matter of financial loss for the club and both Wenger and Emery have been asked to help the club not lose £20m by making him a success.

Remember we are a self sustained model so the managers have to waist as much time making players like Iwobi, Xhaka and co look valuable as they do just trying to win games.

It’s not that simple. He was highly sought after when we bought him with even Bayern considering him as a replacement for Xabi Alonso. Problem is his game hasn’t improved. He reads the game well, is technically strong from a passing standpoint but his instinct is not to go after the ball. That’s a problem given how we set up. I’d rather see him and Torreira than Gendo and Torreira. Hopefully this weekend.

Having seen a little bit of him in the Bundesliga, I think your assessment is pretty accurate and fair bar the mitigating circumstance of not being the primary defensive midfielder back then but more his wing man as such, or at least that's what I recollect.

So, pretty much agree with everything apart from the last two comments.

[Zenith]

Unbelievably good today.

[Angelito]

Best CM we've had this decade.

Already.

[ESR10]

Best CM we've had this decade.

Already.