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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Salibatelli » Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:47 pm

Considering how he’s performing now I don’t think that’s the case.
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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby theHotHead » Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:26 am

It wasn't the case, he was never shit for us. Having bad games here and there does not equate to he was shit for us. He was our best midfielder in his first season, he was our best midfielder in our second season of turmoil. He didn't play for us in the third season, he was loaned out.
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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Salibatelli » Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:39 am

Whether you agree with selling him or not , nothing changes the fact the fee is shocking, we should have got 3 times that. This has a direct impact on the clubs transfer funds, something that shouldn’t be overlooked.

Let’s put it this way, if we really wanted someone and have to overpay to outbid other teams for him, that 20 million would be crucial.
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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Arsenal Tone » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:00 am

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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:59 am

Salibatelli wrote:Whether you agree with selling him or not , nothing changes the fact the fee is shocking, we should have got 3 times that. This has a direct impact on the clubs transfer funds, something that shouldn’t be overlooked.

Let’s put it this way, if we really wanted someone and have to overpay to outbid other teams for him, that 20 million would be crucial.


We were never going to get 3 times that.
When we loaned him, around £10m was a great price for him.
His attitude problems and generally poor form for Arsenal did not attract any buyers. Why do you think no one actually bought him and we had to loan him?
Marseille would not stump up £30m. They wanted a try before you buy deal.
We sold him for what he was worth as a contract clause on a try before you buy deal.

That he has done well for Marseille and his value has undoubtedly increased is neither here nor there.
He could equally have tanked and got into trouble again.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but not useful.

You say we have less to spend now. No we don't , we have what we planned to spend. We got £25m for Willock - clearly not worth that - so do we have more to spend because we got £25m? No, we have what we have. It's a fools game to try and calculate transfer value vs fees paid. This is a market - the fee paid IS the value because two clubs were willing to reach an agreement.
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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Salibatelli » Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:12 pm

Not true, we needn’t have set a fee, had we not we could have sold him for 30 million in the summer. We haven’t set a fee for most other loans so why set it for this guy, ironically a young guy with lots of potential.

If he didn’t perform we might have got 5 million.m, not much different to what we’re getting now.
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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby theHotHead » Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:14 pm

Needless to say I don't agree with pretty much anything you just wrote Jay.

That piece of shit Tom Cleverly who got found out went from Everton to Watford for £9m in 2017, no way you can tell me Guendouzi wasn't worth £25m at the minimum.
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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:16 pm

theHotHead wrote:Needless to say I don't agree with pretty much anything you just wrote Jay.

That piece of shit Tom Cleverly who got found out went from Everton to Watford for £9m in 2017, no way you can tell me Guendouzi wasn't worth £25m at the minimum.



He was a player with an attitude problem and not playing well to add to that.
If he was worth more then where were the bids?
How come Marseille were not jumping in for a permanent deal?
Where were the other clubs?

Its all well and good saying he was worth more, but if no one would pay more then he actually wasn't worth more.
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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:19 pm

Salibatelli wrote:Not true, we needn’t have set a fee, had we not we could have sold him for 30 million in the summer. We haven’t set a fee for most other loans so why set it for this guy, ironically a young guy with lots of potential.

If he didn’t perform we might have got 5 million.m, not much different to what we’re getting now.


How do you know we needn't have to set a fee?
Were you involved in the negotiation?
We did a try before you buy deal - I rather suspect Marseille will have wanted to know how much the buy part of that was and had a price they were comfortable with.

That's the problem with your argument - you are assuming that Marseille would have signed a loan only and / or signed a try before you buy deal with no set price. Big assumptions.
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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Salibatelli » Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:03 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:Not true, we needn’t have set a fee, had we not we could have sold him for 30 million in the summer. We haven’t set a fee for most other loans so why set it for this guy, ironically a young guy with lots of potential.

If he didn’t perform we might have got 5 million.m, not much different to what we’re getting now.


How do you know we needn't have to set a fee?
Were you involved in the negotiation?
We did a try before you buy deal - I rather suspect Marseille will have wanted to know how much the buy part of that was and had a price they were comfortable with.

That's the problem with your argument - you are assuming that Marseille would have signed a loan only and / or signed a try before you buy deal with no set price. Big assumptions.


He’s our player, we decide not the club loaning him. Marseille have loaned Saliba and there’s no fee there, so it seems to me we wanted to sell him.

Arteta wanted to get rid and when that happens it seems common sense goes out the window, it’s just a case of getting the player out at any cost.
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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Arsenal Tone » Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:36 pm

Salibatelli wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:Not true, we needn’t have set a fee, had we not we could have sold him for 30 million in the summer. We haven’t set a fee for most other loans so why set it for this guy, ironically a young guy with lots of potential.

If he didn’t perform we might have got 5 million.m, not much different to what we’re getting now.


How do you know we needn't have to set a fee?
Were you involved in the negotiation?
We did a try before you buy deal - I rather suspect Marseille will have wanted to know how much the buy part of that was and had a price they were comfortable with.

That's the problem with your argument - you are assuming that Marseille would have signed a loan only and / or signed a try before you buy deal with no set price. Big assumptions.


He’s our player, we decide not the club loaning him. Marseille have loaned Saliba and there’s no fee there, so it seems to me we wanted to sell him.

Arteta wanted to get rid and when that happens it seems common sense goes out the window, it’s just a case of getting the player out at any cost.
Unlike when Wenger didn't want a player and they sat on big money for years giving half hearted performances and eventually leaving for free!
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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Salibatelli » Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:30 pm

Arsenal Tone wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:Not true, we needn’t have set a fee, had we not we could have sold him for 30 million in the summer. We haven’t set a fee for most other loans so why set it for this guy, ironically a young guy with lots of potential.

If he didn’t perform we might have got 5 million.m, not much different to what we’re getting now.


How do you know we needn't have to set a fee?
Were you involved in the negotiation?
We did a try before you buy deal - I rather suspect Marseille will have wanted to know how much the buy part of that was and had a price they were comfortable with.

That's the problem with your argument - you are assuming that Marseille would have signed a loan only and / or signed a try before you buy deal with no set price. Big assumptions.


He’s our player, we decide not the club loaning him. Marseille have loaned Saliba and there’s no fee there, so it seems to me we wanted to sell him.

Arteta wanted to get rid and when that happens it seems common sense goes out the window, it’s just a case of getting the player out at any cost.
Unlike when Wenger didn't want a player and they sat on big money for years giving half hearted performances and eventually leaving for free!


There’s a reasonable point in between these two. One never got rid, the other cuts the player out resulting in his value plummeting and the he gives him away.
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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:38 pm

Salibatelli wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Salibatelli wrote:Not true, we needn’t have set a fee, had we not we could have sold him for 30 million in the summer. We haven’t set a fee for most other loans so why set it for this guy, ironically a young guy with lots of potential.

If he didn’t perform we might have got 5 million.m, not much different to what we’re getting now.


How do you know we needn't have to set a fee?
Were you involved in the negotiation?
We did a try before you buy deal - I rather suspect Marseille will have wanted to know how much the buy part of that was and had a price they were comfortable with.

That's the problem with your argument - you are assuming that Marseille would have signed a loan only and / or signed a try before you buy deal with no set price. Big assumptions.


He’s our player, we decide not the club loaning him. Marseille have loaned Saliba and there’s no fee there, so it seems to me we wanted to sell him.

Arteta wanted to get rid and when that happens it seems common sense goes out the window, it’s just a case of getting the player out at any cost.


Don’t be a fool.
Marseille, or any club, are not going to enter into a try before you buy deal without knowing and agreeing the fee.
If Guendouzi was worth decent money we’d have had clubs come in offering decent money. No one wanted him on a permanent deal.
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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Ach » Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:46 pm

If Arteta is sacked as we all hope, would Guendouzi come back and take his rightful place in our midfield?

Or is it too far gone now?
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Re: Mattéo Guendouzi (on loan - Olympique de Marseille)

Postby Goonerred » Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:47 pm

Ach wrote:If Arteta is sacked as we all hope, would Guendouzi come back and take his rightful place in our midfield?

Or is it too far gone now?

If you were Guendouzi, would you come back?
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