Mattéo Guendouzi

[theHotHead]

I said when we had him before that he was the type of lad I'd like in the trenches with me as he has a lot of fight.

Unfortunately it turns out that it's not just the enemy that he wants to fight.

Surely, it's the club's manager and people around him to develop that side of him so that he can reach his potential. Ostracising a young kid with a bit of attitude is not the way to go in my opinion.

That’s always been BS.
Good managers get rid of problem players with bad attitudes, they don’t ‘fix’ them.
These are not children.

We seem to have a generation of young people who think it’s someone else’s responsibility to make them successful and someone else’s accountability for all their f**k ups.

Guendouzi got tossed out of the PL because he had a shitty attitude and didn’t have the ability to make him indispensable. It was no one else’s fault but his own.
It remains to be seen whether he can grow up and improve to the level he can actually play for a top PL club. The evidence of this season in a lower league suggests he is destined to have an average career in football.

I don't agree, many of them come from low income backgrounds and start making a lot of money, they do need some guidance No, they're not kids but they are plunged into an alien world, if they can't change after they get help then kick them out. I'm not sure that he did anything worse than others.

What others?

Xhaka for a start.

There's a huge difference between making mistakes & being sometimes ill-disciplined on the pitch, versus being ill-disciplined to a degree whereby your are fighting with team mates in training and openly disrespecting / disobeying the manager - which is what this boy was apparently doing.

Slinging the captain's armband on the ground and telling fans to eff off is not bad enough for you?

Why do you think Xhaka told our pompous fans to Eff Off?
Put the whole thing into context instead of just letting your bias cloud your objectivity.

It doesn't matter what Xhaka was told by our pompous fans, Players get told all kinds of filth throughout the game and especially when they go to take corners. Suck it up snowflake, take your money and get on with the game ! Its called being a professional

[jayramfootball]

I said when we had him before that he was the type of lad I'd like in the trenches with me as he has a lot of fight.

Unfortunately it turns out that it's not just the enemy that he wants to fight.

Surely, it's the club's manager and people around him to develop that side of him so that he can reach his potential. Ostracising a young kid with a bit of attitude is not the way to go in my opinion.

What is this?
I myself was one of Guendouzi’s biggest cheerleaders when he first got here. But that excitement slowly started to wear by the season due to his recklessness, hotheadedness and lack of progress as a talent. I felt like he had stagnated as a talent and may be needed a loan move away.

The manager is not here to baby sit poor attitude and bad mannered primadonnas.
I am not Arteta’s biggest fan but what I rate about him is his ruthlessness while dealing with these entitled, overrated, overpaid and overpampered primadonnas of ours.. I really rate this attribute of his together with his ability’ to spot, acknowledge and address the weak areas in our team. He seems to always be able to notice positions needing strengthening, goes out and tries to signs those players. These 2 traits are very endearing for me. That’s why I keep saying that he would make a very competent Assistant manager or Director Of Football.

Back on the Guendouzi over hype train. Saka, Martinelli, ESR, Lokonga, Tomiyasu, Ramsdale, Tierney, Tavares etc are all between the ages of 19 years to 25 years old, the same age bracket as Guendouzi. But why can they all try being humble, mature and professional while bGuendouzi has to be baby sat? Arsenal or the manager is not here to baby sit poor attitude and bad mannered egotistical squad players. We have more pressing issues that need to be addressed as a club. Wasting time on average bad attitude players should not be an option. We hope for a sense of peace, calm, stability and harmony in the dressing room and at the club nowadays. Whichever player that does not want to buy into this can go find another club that suits their ego, mentality, attitude and needs.

If guendouzi was at the level of young Fabregas, Diaby, Wilshere etc then I would maybe try to bend over backwards to accommodate. Even then I would not accommodate such nonsense and lack of humility from any of them.

I have had enough of such players who seem to think everything should revolve around their precious egos. If Guendouzi is still egotistical and entitled then I hope Arteta will send him away again next season, only if Arteta himself can keep his job for next season.

Your post assumes the entire world is a a utopic oasis of "same-dom". We are all different, we all have different characters, as a manager I can't treat my staff the same because some react better to certain things than others. As a manager it is my job to get the best out of my staff. Some need a little more hand-holding than others, so long as they don't monopolise my time I am cool with that if it means they get the job done.

Guendouzi is a maverick, there have been plenty of mavericks in football, plenty of the best players in the history of the game have been mavericks ! I don't want to see vanilla players everywhere, mavericks get you excited because they do the unexpected.

Guendouzi is a very good player, young enough and good enough for Arteta if he had any f***ing skill as a manager of people to nurure and get the best out of him. The fact that he shipped him out and he is flourishing elsewhere is all the proof you need.

Unless of course people have their tongue stuck down Arteta's pants then I can see why they cannot see this simple bit of common sense.

If you think Matteo Guendouzi is the answer to making us challengers again, you are deluded. He’s Everton level.
We need to move away from the players we’ve already seen try and fail.

[theHotHead]

I said when we had him before that he was the type of lad I'd like in the trenches with me as he has a lot of fight.

Unfortunately it turns out that it's not just the enemy that he wants to fight.

Surely, it's the club's manager and people around him to develop that side of him so that he can reach his potential. Ostracising a young kid with a bit of attitude is not the way to go in my opinion.

What is this?
I myself was one of Guendouzi’s biggest cheerleaders when he first got here. But that excitement slowly started to wear by the season due to his recklessness, hotheadedness and lack of progress as a talent. I felt like he had stagnated as a talent and may be needed a loan move away.

The manager is not here to baby sit poor attitude and bad mannered primadonnas.
I am not Arteta’s biggest fan but what I rate about him is his ruthlessness while dealing with these entitled, overrated, overpaid and overpampered primadonnas of ours.. I really rate this attribute of his together with his ability’ to spot, acknowledge and address the weak areas in our team. He seems to always be able to notice positions needing strengthening, goes out and tries to signs those players. These 2 traits are very endearing for me. That’s why I keep saying that he would make a very competent Assistant manager or Director Of Football.

Back on the Guendouzi over hype train. Saka, Martinelli, ESR, Lokonga, Tomiyasu, Ramsdale, Tierney, Tavares etc are all between the ages of 19 years to 25 years old, the same age bracket as Guendouzi. But why can they all try being humble, mature and professional while bGuendouzi has to be baby sat? Arsenal or the manager is not here to baby sit poor attitude and bad mannered egotistical squad players. We have more pressing issues that need to be addressed as a club. Wasting time on average bad attitude players should not be an option. We hope for a sense of peace, calm, stability and harmony in the dressing room and at the club nowadays. Whichever player that does not want to buy into this can go find another club that suits their ego, mentality, attitude and needs.

If guendouzi was at the level of young Fabregas, Diaby, Wilshere etc then I would maybe try to bend over backwards to accommodate. Even then I would not accommodate such nonsense and lack of humility from any of them.

I have had enough of such players who seem to think everything should revolve around their precious egos. If Guendouzi is still egotistical and entitled then I hope Arteta will send him away again next season, only if Arteta himself can keep his job for next season.

Can you give us a link showing Arteta babysitting Guendozi. Thanks

But i replied to a person saying that a manager should be able to bend over backwards just accommodate a a an average looking talent that seems to have such a high opinion of themself. Has achieved nothing so far in his career but the ego seems to be over the top.
Do you know how many young kids would give anything just to be afforded an opportunity to play at a club like Arsenal?

Checkout the likes of Saka, Martinelli, ESR etc, same age brackets but I am yet to hear any rumours about them using their immaturity as an excuse to continually make news.

Again, arteta is not here to babysit anyone, he is here to do his job, he has his own job and career to worry about. If he does not get results he gets sacked.

He clearly is not an average football when he was bought for £7m and his value went up to £35m in 12 months. He got a France call up on the strength of his Arsenal performances, into a team capable of winning World Cups ! He has gone on to star for Marseille.

If thats average then you don't have a freekin clue about football.

[jayramfootball]

I said when we had him before that he was the type of lad I'd like in the trenches with me as he has a lot of fight.

Unfortunately it turns out that it's not just the enemy that he wants to fight.

Surely, it's the club's manager and people around him to develop that side of him so that he can reach his potential. Ostracising a young kid with a bit of attitude is not the way to go in my opinion.

What is this?
I myself was one of Guendouzi’s biggest cheerleaders when he first got here. But that excitement slowly started to wear by the season due to his recklessness, hotheadedness and lack of progress as a talent. I felt like he had stagnated as a talent and may be needed a loan move away.

The manager is not here to baby sit poor attitude and bad mannered primadonnas.
I am not Arteta’s biggest fan but what I rate about him is his ruthlessness while dealing with these entitled, overrated, overpaid and overpampered primadonnas of ours.. I really rate this attribute of his together with his ability’ to spot, acknowledge and address the weak areas in our team. He seems to always be able to notice positions needing strengthening, goes out and tries to signs those players. These 2 traits are very endearing for me. That’s why I keep saying that he would make a very competent Assistant manager or Director Of Football.

Back on the Guendouzi over hype train. Saka, Martinelli, ESR, Lokonga, Tomiyasu, Ramsdale, Tierney, Tavares etc are all between the ages of 19 years to 25 years old, the same age bracket as Guendouzi. But why can they all try being humble, mature and professional while bGuendouzi has to be baby sat? Arsenal or the manager is not here to baby sit poor attitude and bad mannered egotistical squad players. We have more pressing issues that need to be addressed as a club. Wasting time on average bad attitude players should not be an option. We hope for a sense of peace, calm, stability and harmony in the dressing room and at the club nowadays. Whichever player that does not want to buy into this can go find another club that suits their ego, mentality, attitude and needs.

If guendouzi was at the level of young Fabregas, Diaby, Wilshere etc then I would maybe try to bend over backwards to accommodate. Even then I would not accommodate such nonsense and lack of humility from any of them.

I have had enough of such players who seem to think everything should revolve around their precious egos. If Guendouzi is still egotistical and entitled then I hope Arteta will send him away again next season, only if Arteta himself can keep his job for next season.

Can you give us a link showing Arteta babysitting Guendozi. Thanks

But i replied to a person saying that a manager should be able to bend over backwards just accommodate a a an average looking talent that seems to have such a high opinion of themself. Has achieved nothing so far in his career but the ego seems to be over the top.
Do you know how many young kids would give anything just to be afforded an opportunity to play at a club like Arsenal?

Checkout the likes of Saka, Martinelli, ESR etc, same age brackets but I am yet to hear any rumours about them using their immaturity as an excuse to continually make news.

Again, arteta is not here to babysit anyone, he is here to do his job, he has his own job and career to worry about. If he does not get results he gets sacked.

He clearly is not an average football when he was bought for £7m and his value went up to £35m in 12 months. He got a France call up on the strength of his Arsenal performances, into a team capable of winning World Cups ! He has gone on to star for Marseille.

If thats average then you don't have a freekin clue about football.

His games for Arsenal can best be described as average… though maybe that is being too kind.

[theHotHead]

If you think Matteo Guendouzi is the answer to making us challengers again, you are deluded. He’s Everton level.

And yet you are championing Lokonga who hasn't looked anywhere near as good as Guendouzi. Don't be a hypocrite Jay

[Ach]

57 PL games
0 goals
1 assist

Won only 42% of the games he played in.

So clearly not a creative player or an influential player.
Unfortunately he was also not strong at tackling or shielding the back 4, didn’t excel at winning the ball at all in fact

So what was he?
The guy was a key part of our go nowhere endless and pointless passing game.

But but let’s pretend he was brilliant for us.
Good grief.

Not good enough for a PL top 4 side.
Is he better than our current midfielders? No.

Poor argument given his inexperience when he joined us and the position he plays in. For instance, no one is complaining that Lokonga isn’t scoring and assisting.

Lokonga has played just 12 games , some as a sub and has only just begun. He’s also not a starter. Looks to have more potential than the rather agricultural Guendouzi.

We saw enough of Guendouzi to know he’s not good enough to be in a top 4 PL team.

The only reason he’s even mentioned now is because it was Arteta that dumped him, which was clearly the correct decision for a number of reasons.

Sorry Jay, that is total bullcrap. We were all mightily impressed with Guendouzi when he joined, he slotted in seamlessly

Saturday 25th August - 2018

Probably our best player so far this season. Early days, though.
It was a mistake by Emery to sub him off today - he had just made a mistake and then got subbed...that's bad management. Xhaka actually IS a mistake, but stayed on the pitch.

Friday 7th September 2018

Matteo Guendouzi is our August Player of the Month

Congratulations to Matteo Guendouzi - our French midfielder has won his first Player of the Month award by topping our August poll.

The 19-year-old impressed during his debut month in north London, becoming only the fourth teenager to start each of our first four Premier League matches after Nicolas Anelka, Cesc Fabregas and Johan Djourou.

Guendouzi received 68 per cent of the votes cast, with Henrikh Mkhitaryan and Petr Cech finishing second and third place respectively.

Sunday Feb 3rd 2019

Brilliant performance while surrounded by absolute shit

Heck of a player. Despite having very little to work with in midfield, he held his own, carried the ball forward, some classy passes...one of the few positives from the game.

For one so young, he's a class player. He has a big future.

Sunday April 14th 2019

He’s a mature footballer for his age.

I think we’d have more young English players like that if they were given the chance.

Great young player for us.

Oh dear

[jayramfootball]

If you think Matteo Guendouzi is the answer to making us challengers again, you are deluded. He’s Everton level.

And yet you are championing Lokonga who hasn't looked anywhere near as good as Guendouzi. Don't be a hypocrite Jay

I think Lakonga has shown potential, as do you.
We will see with him.
Guendouzi we’ve seen for Arsenal and he wasn’t good enough for a top 4 team in the PL.

[StockGooner]

HH we all know he started his Arsenal career really well. I referenced his good couple of months in the last few posts of this thread. I believe he won our player if the month for two months running.

Then his form went down hill.
He did have the potential but he never progressed.

He ended his time at Arsenal having been, well, meh. Bang average.

We’ve got a lot better since he and others who will never take us forward have left the club.

Do you not think this sounds a bit past tense Jay?

Did have potential. Never progressed. Will never take us forward.

It just sounds a bit definitive. He is only 22 and at that age Benjamin White was in The Championship at Leeds. You could argue he's performing at a higher level at a younger age even now. Just sounds a bit like you're completely writing him off when he is still relatively young.

His shortcomings in attitude can be fixed, but it isn't Arteta's job. Guendouzi has to want to change them, and he and the club together have to find a way of chanelling the attitude to a more positive outcome. Is his talent worth it? I still think it could be and I don't think the debate on goals and asissts can be had with him, as stats can be misleading against great players like Xavi and Zidane (I am not putting him in that bracket of player). Sometimes we as fans have to take value in perception, not statistics, which I think based on HH's quotes we all all viewed Guendouzi as a good young player.

[jayramfootball]

HH we all know he started his Arsenal career really well. I referenced his good couple of months in the last few posts of this thread. I believe he won our player if the month for two months running.

Then his form went down hill.
He did have the potential but he never progressed.

He ended his time at Arsenal having been, well, meh. Bang average.

We’ve got a lot better since he and others who will never take us forward have left the club.

Do you not think this sounds a bit past tense Jay?

Did have potential. Never progressed. Will never take us forward.

It just sounds a bit definitive. He is only 22 and at that age Benjamin White was in The Championship at Leeds. You could argue he's performing at a higher level at a younger age even now. Just sounds a bit like you're completely writing him off when he is still relatively young.

His shortcomings in attitude can be fixed, but it isn't Arteta's job. Guendouzi has to want to change them, and he and the club together have to find a way of chanelling the attitude to a more positive outcome. Is his talent worth it? I still think it could be and I don't think the debate on goals and asissts can be had with him, as stats can be misleading against great players like Xavi and Zidane (I am not putting him in that bracket of player). Sometimes we as fans have to take value in perception, not statistics, which I think based on HH's quotes we all all viewed Guendouzi as a good young player.

Fair.
Let me be clear, if ANY player comes to Arsenal and starts performing well then they will get my support.
Even players I have been very hard on like Auba. If he came back and started doing the business, he’d have my support.
Similarly if any player starts playing badly over an extended period, I lose trust in them and want them dropped and gone.
No point getting hung up on individual players.
So, if Guendouzi comes back and starts playing well for us, great. I will be praising him.

[theHotHead]

If you think Matteo Guendouzi is the answer to making us challengers again, you are deluded. He’s Everton level.

And yet you are championing Lokonga who hasn't looked anywhere near as good as Guendouzi. Don't be a hypocrite Jay

I think Lakonga has shown potential, as do you.
We will see with him.
Guendouzi we’ve seen for Arsenal and he wasn’t good enough for a top 4 team in the PL.

Guendouzi is better than Lokonga, Xhaka and Elneny, they are all current first team players for Arsenal, Guendouzi should be in the Arsenal team ahead of them. We are currently battling for a top 4 place so Guendouzi IS good enough for a top 4 team.

[theHotHead]

He clearly is not an average football when he was bought for £7m and his value went up to £35m in 12 months. He got a France call up on the strength of his Arsenal performances, into a team capable of winning World Cups ! He has gone on to star for Marseille.

If thats average then you don't have a freekin clue about football.

His games for Arsenal can best be described as average… though maybe that is being too kind.

There is no argument against "Jayram Logic"

At best average performances made his value shoot up faster than Amy Winehouse in a crackhouse and earned him a France call up

Sure Jay .... sure ......

[Power n Glory]

HH we all know he started his Arsenal career really well. I referenced his good couple of months in the last few posts of this thread. I believe he won our player if the month for two months running.

Then his form went down hill.
He did have the potential but he never progressed.

He ended his time at Arsenal having been, well, meh. Bang average.

We’ve got a lot better since he and others who will never take us forward have left the club.

Do you not think this sounds a bit past tense Jay?

Did have potential. Never progressed. Will never take us forward.

It just sounds a bit definitive. He is only 22 and at that age Benjamin White was in The Championship at Leeds. You could argue he's performing at a higher level at a younger age even now. Just sounds a bit like you're completely writing him off when he is still relatively young.

His shortcomings in attitude can be fixed, but it isn't Arteta's job. Guendouzi has to want to change them, and he and the club together have to find a way of chanelling the attitude to a more positive outcome. Is his talent worth it? I still think it could be and I don't think the debate on goals and asissts can be had with him, as stats can be misleading against great players like Xavi and Zidane (I am not putting him in that bracket of player). Sometimes we as fans have to take value in perception, not statistics, which I think based on HH's quotes we all all viewed Guendouzi as a good young player.

I was really impressed with him. One of the best out of his age group to play that role. He was only 19 when he arrived but there were games where he really stood out and took over. I haven't been impressed with Sambi so far. He's 22 and he hasn't really shown that same level Guendouzi had shown when just 19. Also, Sambi seems quiet and timid on the pitch despite having captaincy experience. That was another thing that stood out about Guendouzi. He wasn't shy on the pitch and there were times where he'd up his game if we looked flat. It's a real shame if he doesn't come back and if he doesn't fulfill is potential as a player.

[swipe right]

With another manager, Guendozi walks into this Arsenal midfield. This is the poorest midfield we have ever had. Guendozi is built for the prem. We’d be crazy to lose him.

[jayramfootball]

With another manager, Guendozi walks into this Arsenal midfield. This is the poorest midfield we have ever had. Guendozi is built for the prem. We’d be crazy to lose him.

Arteta didn't rate him so that in itself makes him a 9/10 to the Arteta boo boys

It's funny listening to it - you'd think the players we used to have were so good that Wenger , Emery and Arteta should have been winning titles and Champions Leagues LOL

We've reached GuEnDouZi levels.

[swipe right]

With another manager, Guendozi walks into this Arsenal midfield. This is the poorest midfield we have ever had. Guendozi is built for the prem. We’d be crazy to lose him.

Arteta didn't rate him so that in itself makes him a 9/10 to the Arteta boo boys

It's funny listening to it - you'd think the players we used to have were so good that Wenger , Emery and Arteta should have been winning titles and Champions Leagues LOL

We've reached GuEnDouZi levels.

Not really. You don’t see me complaining about us exiting Torreira or Kolasinac do you? I’ve come around to his summer signings as well. I can accept when I’m wrong. But why do you feel the need to worship at the church of Arteta and not recognize he screwed up with Saliba and Guendouzi? Surely no one can be right all the time. And if they are they wouldn’t be sitting in sixth place.