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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby Power n Glory » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:21 pm

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Hypergooner wrote:As I said, if he wants to be playing regularly this side of a WC, he needs to sign or find a buyer. It's not about us not respecting him or anything. We have made it quite clear we love him by offering loads more money to stay. It's about our failing transfer model, by letting players run down contracts, not put as much in for the final months and us loosing transfer fees!
We're not talking about Henry here! As good as Saka is, he's not single handedly dragging us in to CL finals and top 2 finishes.


Everyone understands the hardline stance you're presenting but it's whether it's enforceable and realistic. Saka is the poster child for Project Youth 2.0 and the 'Process'. If we sell this summer or decide to freeze him out, which is cutting our nose to spite our face, how do you think the fans would react?

You've seen and acknowledged the crazy transfer fees for players. Replacing Saka won't be cheap or easy. He contributed to 19 goals last season and we were close to a CL finish. Losing him could harm our CL chances and trying to freeze him out of the team drops his value, which harms us off the pitch as well.

We don't hold the best cards in this situation no nlmagger how it is sliced. But we have to make a tough choice.


I Don't agree that it's hard line. It's just honesty and very much depends on how it's present. I'd like to think fans were bright enough to understand if the club explained the position honestly.
Our transfer policy has put us in a financial and sporting mess. We need to get out of it, if we have any hope of being a top team again!

The numbers say it all!

Saka signs for £120k per week for 6 years, thats total loss -£37.44m and we keep a poster boy. Best case!

If he doesn't sign leaves in 2 years at £40k per week, that’s -£4.16m. We buy -£40m replacement on £100k PW thats -£20.8m total loss = -£64.96m Over 6 years. Worst case!

We sell him for £70m now, cheap for a player of his quality and age. Buy £40m experienced replacement on £100k pw, 6 year deal, that’s £71.2m. Toal loss -£1.2m


Again, that all sounds sensible until you try to name the the £40m experienced replacement on £100k a week.
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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby Hypergooner » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:39 pm

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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby Power n Glory » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:50 pm

Hypergooner wrote:Raphinha


https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/leeds-united-report-raphinha-price-tag-revealed-as-barcelona-consider-bid

I doubt we'd get him for £40m. Reports say they want at least £60m and he has a £75m clause in his contract.

Good player but he'll be 26 by the end of the year. Saka scored 12 and made 7 assists. Raphinha scored 11 with 4 assists.
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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby Hypergooner » Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:05 pm

Plays for a bottom of the league club though. We finished 5th. With our team around him, he'd be quality. Even better if we kept Saka and got him
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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby TedLasso » Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:06 pm

Considering how much Saka plays, I dont see a massive need for Raphinha, especially if Arsenal sign Jesus.

Saka, Jesus, and Nelson in a pinch is perfectly fine depth at RW. Route that money into midfield.
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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby Zenith » Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:22 pm

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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby Power n Glory » Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:24 pm

Hypergooner wrote:Plays for a bottom of the league club though. We finished 5th. With our team around him, he'd be quality. Even better if we kept Saka and got him


Leeds struggled this season but last season they were much better in attack and actually scored more goals than us. They finished 9th and scored 62 goals, we finished 8th with 55 goals. That year Raphinha managed 8 goals and 11 assists. Saka 7 goals and 10 assists. Not much between them and there attack was way more cohesive and free flowing than ours. It's not like the Wenger days where we create chances for fun and we can assume a player for a lower teM will double their numbers.

Raphinha would be a good addition to the team and may help us reach top 4, which could help convince Saka to sign a new deal but I wouldn't be so sure about him being an improvement. It's not like the Wenger days where we knew Arsene could squeeze a performance even out of the low quality players. Experienced and attack minded players have gone backwards under Arteta and he isn't very good at adapting when key players aren't available. If we lose Saka I'm sure that will be a set back for his process.
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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby swipe right » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:01 am

Hate saying it but if he doesn’t sign this summer we got to sell. This is his peak value under our contract. Could comfortably get 60-70 mil for him.
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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby Hypergooner » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:38 am

swipe right wrote:Hate saying it but if he doesn’t sign this summer we got to sell. This is his peak value under our contract. Could comfortably get 60-70 mil for him.


Exactly. As I said in my above post(s), I really want him to stay and think he will, but we have to get more hardline once they have 2 years left and are worth so much. We can't keep giving top players away when we are broke as a club.

It would only take a few £100m sales to put us back in the black. We could then start buying who we want, rather than the ones that the others don't want!
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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby theHotHead » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:46 am

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theHotHead wrote:You can only sell him if he agrees to be sold, thats where your process falls down HyperGooner.


............ well there are some dark arts to that isn't there.

If Saka is being difficult and looking like he wants to run down the clock to get a free then you put him bang up for sale while his stock is high, get £75-£90m by engaging a bidding war so you can buy a top replacement.

If Liverpool come in with £80m and Saka sticks his nose up and won't sign a new deal then he's played his hand .......... and we tell him, fine, rot on the bench for 2 years then see your value plummet, don't even let him play a reserve game.

When someones out to bend you over a barrel you have to deal in extremes or get played, simple as that, give them something to lose, we both make good or we both jump off the cliff, make it his choice to slit his own wrist.......... most choose not to, even Ozil got a deal arranged for himself in the end, as did Auba to avoid that situation.

Real world only the richest of the rich can do that and get away with it, there is no way Arsenal are in a position to do that. Look, we paid to give Auba - a top forward away, we have £72m Pepe losing value monthly, I would be surprised if we get more than £25m for him and now the potential loss of £100m+ for Saka. There is no way the club will sanction that, I mean, the management have so far shown they dont have a complete brain cell between them but surely even they are not that stupid. :dontknow:
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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby theHotHead » Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:49 am

Hypergooner wrote:Plays for a bottom of the league club though. We finished 5th. With our team around him, he'd be quality. Even better if we kept Saka and got him

Good shout, I will give you that, however, you have chosen a very skillful player who will be in demand, no way he chooses Arsenal over another big club that are actually in the CL. Why would he choose us over one of them?! Aint gonna happen.
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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby Hypergooner » Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:42 am

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Hypergooner wrote:Plays for a bottom of the league club though. We finished 5th. With our team around him, he'd be quality. Even better if we kept Saka and got him

Good shout, I will give you that, however, you have chosen a very skillful player who will be in demand, no way he chooses Arsenal over another big club that are actually in the CL. Why would he choose us over one of them?! Aint gonna happen.


Your probably right. We don't have much of a sales pitch for in demand players these days. Only that we have a Brazilian Tech director and will pay another club to take him if he isn't happy in a few years!
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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby DiamondGooner » Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:17 am

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theHotHead wrote:You can only sell him if he agrees to be sold, thats where your process falls down HyperGooner.


............ well there are some dark arts to that isn't there.

If Saka is being difficult and looking like he wants to run down the clock to get a free then you put him bang up for sale while his stock is high, get £75-£90m by engaging a bidding war so you can buy a top replacement.

If Liverpool come in with £80m and Saka sticks his nose up and won't sign a new deal then he's played his hand .......... and we tell him, fine, rot on the bench for 2 years then see your value plummet, don't even let him play a reserve game.

When someones out to bend you over a barrel you have to deal in extremes or get played, simple as that, give them something to lose, we both make good or we both jump off the cliff, make it his choice to slit his own wrist.......... most choose not to, even Ozil got a deal arranged for himself in the end, as did Auba to avoid that situation.

Real world only the richest of the rich can do that and get away with it, there is no way Arsenal are in a position to do that. Look, we paid to give Auba - a top forward away, we have £72m Pepe losing value monthly, I would be surprised if we get more than £25m for him and now the potential loss of £100m+ for Saka. There is no way the club will sanction that, I mean, the management have so far shown they dont have a complete brain cell between them but surely even they are not that stupid. :dontknow:


The plan would be if we found a buyer for him like lets say Liverpool were willing to pay £80m after a bidding war and Saka refused, wanting to go into the last 24 months of his contract without signing then you give him two options ............

Sign or leave and if you don't you don't play football for 2 years.

Saka at this stage of his career can't afford to be inactive for 2 years, it could ruin the trajectory of his career ........... he'd either re-sign or take the transfer.

You have to have balls in these types of situations otherwise you'll get walked over.

Yes it wouldn't be great for Arsenal, but it'll just as bad if not worse for his career which is the point, he'll more than likely cave, its the only hand we have so you need to play it going all in.
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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby Angelito » Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:07 pm

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Re: Bukayo Saka (7)

Postby swipe right » Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:36 am

Jesus + Zinchenko for Saka. Do it.
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