Phil71 wrote:Yawn
Tired already? You must be getting old, may I suggest an afternoon siesta?
by Salibatelli » Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:53 am
Phil71 wrote:Yawn
by Salibatelli » Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:56 am
by Salibatelli » Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:59 am
jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote::lol: Arteta didn’t even pick ESR until he had no choice, it’s chance more than anything!
Arteta is a terrible man manager that’s been proven beyond doubt to most except the most biased of fans.
No one said Saka didn’t have a good season anyway, they said he wasn’t very productive which is true. You’ve painted him out to be some sort of world beater better than Neymar but the figures don’t stack up, you don’t help yourself.
^
something good - not Arteta
anything bad - all Arteta.
Yeah, we know.
Have you not seen where we’ve ended up two seasons running under him, oh and how about how our start to the new season has gone?
^ which doesn't mean nothing good happened, obviously.
What I did see in Arteta first 18 months was 16 months where we did pretty well (and won a trophy) and a 2-month disaster.
Lots of good things over that period as well as bad things.
As for Saka, I will take what he says about himself and how Arteta has helped him over your entrenched negativity:“He has given us so much belief, not just that, but information, advice on how to improve.
“You can see that with the youngsters, they are not just coming in but they are coming in and making their mark, proving they can stay in the team.
“That’s a credit to him.”
by jayramfootball » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:18 am
Özim wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote::lol: Arteta didn’t even pick ESR until he had no choice, it’s chance more than anything!
Arteta is a terrible man manager that’s been proven beyond doubt to most except the most biased of fans.
No one said Saka didn’t have a good season anyway, they said he wasn’t very productive which is true. You’ve painted him out to be some sort of world beater better than Neymar but the figures don’t stack up, you don’t help yourself.
^
something good - not Arteta
anything bad - all Arteta.
Yeah, we know.
Have you not seen where we’ve ended up two seasons running under him, oh and how about how our start to the new season has gone?
^ which doesn't mean nothing good happened, obviously.
What I did see in Arteta first 18 months was 16 months where we did pretty well (and won a trophy) and a 2-month disaster.
Lots of good things over that period as well as bad things.
As for Saka, I will take what he says about himself and how Arteta has helped him over your entrenched negativity:“He has given us so much belief, not just that, but information, advice on how to improve.
“You can see that with the youngsters, they are not just coming in but they are coming in and making their mark, proving they can stay in the team.
“That’s a credit to him.”
He doesn’t do a lot good to be honest, you really have to think about it to find something.
Once again, he didn’t do pretty well for 16 months, it was awful, people were complaining about the performances and play then, even when we were scraping wins, it wasn’t good.
People have eyes and stats really don’t paint the whole picture. It’s not been enjoyable under Arteta for all but a small part of his time with us, it’s been all about breaking records we don’t want to break, ineffective football, inexplicable decisions and terrible man management.
If he’s been good for 16 months people wouldn’t want him out let me tell you.
by Ach » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:22 am
by jayramfootball » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:42 am
Ach wrote:I'd say finishing 8th twice is the most important stat
This hilarious only 2 bad months crap you're spouting is great though
by Salibatelli » Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:57 am
jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote::lol: Arteta didn’t even pick ESR until he had no choice, it’s chance more than anything!
Arteta is a terrible man manager that’s been proven beyond doubt to most except the most biased of fans.
No one said Saka didn’t have a good season anyway, they said he wasn’t very productive which is true. You’ve painted him out to be some sort of world beater better than Neymar but the figures don’t stack up, you don’t help yourself.
^
something good - not Arteta
anything bad - all Arteta.
Yeah, we know.
Have you not seen where we’ve ended up two seasons running under him, oh and how about how our start to the new season has gone?
^ which doesn't mean nothing good happened, obviously.
What I did see in Arteta first 18 months was 16 months where we did pretty well (and won a trophy) and a 2-month disaster.
Lots of good things over that period as well as bad things.
As for Saka, I will take what he says about himself and how Arteta has helped him over your entrenched negativity:“He has given us so much belief, not just that, but information, advice on how to improve.
“You can see that with the youngsters, they are not just coming in but they are coming in and making their mark, proving they can stay in the team.
“That’s a credit to him.”
He doesn’t do a lot good to be honest, you really have to think about it to find something.
Once again, he didn’t do pretty well for 16 months, it was awful, people were complaining about the performances and play then, even when we were scraping wins, it wasn’t good.
People have eyes and stats really don’t paint the whole picture. It’s not been enjoyable under Arteta for all but a small part of his time with us, it’s been all about breaking records we don’t want to break, ineffective football, inexplicable decisions and terrible man management.
If he’s been good for 16 months people wouldn’t want him out let me tell you.
For 16 months our point haul has been pretty good. That is the most important stat.
The other important stat is trophies and we've won one.
Take a way a 2 month meltdown and the first 18 months would rank really well.
As long as we avoid extended bad runs, all is OK.
This thread is about Saka however, and he's excellent and credits his improvement to Arteta.
by Salibatelli » Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:00 pm
jayramfootball wrote:Ach wrote:I'd say finishing 8th twice is the most important stat
This hilarious only 2 bad months crap you're spouting is great though
First 6 months moved up the league and won the FA Cup.
Start of the next season was not bad at all.
Then a 2 month meltdown where we took 2 from 21 points
Then 6 months good.
That is Arteta's first 18 months. That's the reality of it.
Avoid the part in bold going forward and we're ok.
If we have that run again - then we're not.
by Ach » Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:10 pm
jayramfootball wrote:Ach wrote:I'd say finishing 8th twice is the most important stat
This hilarious only 2 bad months crap you're spouting is great though
First 6 months moved up the league and won the FA Cup.
Start of the next season was not bad at all.
Then a 2 month meltdown where we took 2 from 21 points
Then 6 months good.
That is Arteta's first 18 months. That's the reality of it.
Avoid the part in bold going forward and we're ok.
If we have that run again - then we're not.
by jayramfootball » Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:12 pm
Özim wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Ach wrote:I'd say finishing 8th twice is the most important stat
This hilarious only 2 bad months crap you're spouting is great though
First 6 months moved up the league and won the FA Cup.
Start of the next season was not bad at all.
Then a 2 month meltdown where we took 2 from 21 points
Then 6 months good.
That is Arteta's first 18 months. That's the reality of it.
Avoid the part in bold going forward and we're ok.
If we have that run again - then we're not.
We hardly moved up the league, we were 8th and our form couldn’t get any worse prior to his arrival, I actually think 8th was poor, it was only the FA cup that made it a reasonable season and that helped erase the fact we had a horrible season.
Cup is a bit of a lottery as well, in fancied teams can win it, it’s all about two teams on a particular day, it’s not an accurate measure of a teams or managers ability.
The whole of last season was pretty awful tbh.
by Santi » Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:13 pm
by Salibatelli » Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:45 pm
jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Ach wrote:I'd say finishing 8th twice is the most important stat
This hilarious only 2 bad months crap you're spouting is great though
First 6 months moved up the league and won the FA Cup.
Start of the next season was not bad at all.
Then a 2 month meltdown where we took 2 from 21 points
Then 6 months good.
That is Arteta's first 18 months. That's the reality of it.
Avoid the part in bold going forward and we're ok.
If we have that run again - then we're not.
We hardly moved up the league, we were 8th and our form couldn’t get any worse prior to his arrival, I actually think 8th was poor, it was only the FA cup that made it a reasonable season and that helped erase the fact we had a horrible season.
Cup is a bit of a lottery as well, in fancied teams can win it, it’s all about two teams on a particular day, it’s not an accurate measure of a teams or managers ability.
The whole of last season was pretty awful tbh.
Prior to Arteta joining that season we were 11th and had 23 points from 18 games, an average of 1.28 ppg
After Arteta started to the end of the season we were the 6th best team taking 33 points from 20 games, an average of 1.65 ppg. (that 33pts was a single point below what Chelsea did in 4th)
Big improvement and an FA Cup. It was a good first season for Arteta results wise.
The only real issue he had in his first 18 months from a results perspective were the 2 months I have mentioned.
by Phil71 » Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:49 pm
Özim wrote:Phil71 wrote:Yawn
Tired already? You must be getting old, may I suggest an afternoon siesta?
by Salibatelli » Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:00 pm
Phil71 wrote:Özim wrote:Phil71 wrote:Yawn
Tired already? You must be getting old, may I suggest an afternoon siesta?
Reading your repetitive drivel is enough to put anyone to sleep.
by Phil71 » Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:13 pm
Özim wrote:Phil71 wrote:Özim wrote:Phil71 wrote:Yawn
Tired already? You must be getting old, may I suggest an afternoon siesta?
Reading your repetitive drivel is enough to put anyone to sleep.
Except you seem to be the only one, as I said perfect time for a little siesta, I’m probably doing you a favour as you’ll wake up refreshed ready for the evening.