2018-19 Squad Analysis and Tactics

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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Rastayouth » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:06 am

Attacking 6 should be these guys:
Auba-Laca-Ozil
Mkhi-Torreira-Guendouzi


Or reshuffle to
Auba-Laca-Mkhi
Ozil
Torreira-Guendouzi


Hate to write of Xhaka after 2 games but he's been woeful.
Swap Ramsey for either Ozil or Mkhi in each formation but put him on the wing. He's dangerous in the box but even more dangerous when he vacates our midfield.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Arsenal Tone » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:25 am

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Replace Ramsey and Ozil with top winger and centre back and we'd be done!
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:16 pm

The one thing Emery should dump imo is the high defensive line.

It's shocking, one good ball over the top and your exposed, happened a few times against Chelsea, quite frankly I don't even really see what a high line offers that makes it worth while.

If anything it compacts the opposition giving them more players to press you in their half.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Arsene Nose » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:55 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:The one thing Emery should dump imo is the high defensive line.

It's shocking, one good ball over the top and your exposed, happened a few times against Chelsea, quite frankly I don't even really see what a high line offers that makes it worth while.

If anything it compacts the opposition giving them more players to press you in their half.

Typically if you want to press high up the pitch you have to commit bodies forward. If you don’t play a high line you leave too much space in midfield to cover. The key is to have the line be conscious enough to play the trap rather than get caught out.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Luzh 22 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:07 pm

Arsene Nose wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:The one thing Emery should dump imo is the high defensive line.

It's shocking, one good ball over the top and your exposed, happened a few times against Chelsea, quite frankly I don't even really see what a high line offers that makes it worth while.

If anything it compacts the opposition giving them more players to press you in their half.

Typically if you want to press high up the pitch you have to commit bodies forward. If you don’t play a high line you leave too much space in midfield to cover. The key is to have the line be conscious enough to play the trap rather than get caught out.


Indeed. Someone say Bellerin :lol:
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Arsenal~Fanatic » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:15 pm

Looking at the style Emery wants to adopt a midfield of Ramsey, Torreira and Guendouzi in my opinion offers the best balance as a three man midfield. . All three of them have a solid engine. It helps us avoid getting overrun in the midfield.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Santi » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:22 pm

Not really sure what style Emery wants to adopt at all tbh, just looks the same as Wenger last 2 years so far but somehow shitter.


Least with Sarriball you can see the difference and what they are trying, even if it's not proving fruitful today.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Santi » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:23 pm

Tony_Adams wrote:Image

Replace Ramsey and Ozil with top winger and centre back and we'd be done!



Aye if we were still in the 14th century this might win the title.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby DiamondGooner » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:44 pm

Santi wrote:Not really sure what style Emery wants to adopt at all tbh, just looks the same as Wenger last 2 years so far but somehow shitter.


Least with Sarriball you can see the difference and what they are trying, even if it's not proving fruitful today.


4-3-3

Wenger used to play 4-5-1 essentially with a possession approach and slow build up play, remember how long we used to ping the ball around their box before anyone would even take a shot?.

4-3-3 is more cut and thrust, there's also two banks of 3 for pressing, both up front and in midfield.

Wenger did play 4-3-3 for one game in particular, it was the first game when RVP was our main striker and he had Walcott out right and I can't remember who was left wing, possibly Gervhino?

I don't think Wenger liked it as it was to back to front quick play, he preferred to swamp midfield with players and hog possession.

Also on the 4-4-2 that's a bit of an ignorant comment considering how effective Atletico use it to great effect ........ as we know from when they won the league, beat Chelsea in the CL and beat us in the Europa semi final.

All formations can work as long as you have the game plan and personnel to pull it off, Simeone is not sticking with it because its not working is he?

.......... our Invincibles squad was using 4-4-2 as was Man Utd's treble winning side, that side beat Spanish teams using 4-5-1 etc.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Santi » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:52 pm

Haven't seen any pressing or us dominating the midfield which are 2 key traits of a 4-3-3. I can see the formation he wants to play but the style is not there at all, there's nothing.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Arsene Nose » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:21 pm

He needs to adapt to the players we have in the near term. Play a counter attacking game with Auba at the top, two wing backs and three CBs. He’ll need a window or two of solid spending to bring in players who can play his preferred pressing style.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:32 am

You can't play a counter-attacking game when 90% of the teams you play will just sit deep and nullify any threat .... you certainly won't win anything with that strategy ....

Auba up top? so spend 50m on a player who's proven strength is his speed, his ability to get around or behind players, his confidence to cut in and score .... and then play him totally out of position 'up-top'? so how's that working out?

We need to learn from the sides above us. In order to get beyond a park-the-bus defence you need attacking FB's .... clearly Emery sees that with both our FB's playing as wingers most of the time ... however to support that you need a mobile set of CD's, a couple of DCM's that read the game and cover their FB's, and CM's and AM's who will press the opposition ... these are and have been our weakness for years ...

CB's aren't mobile, DCM's are dumb as stumps, and in Ozil and Mkhi you have two great players who together couldn't press a grape .....

You can see where Emery's going, he just needs the players to either step up or feck off .... it will take time, and that's years not weeks, but if we want to get back to even top four we need to make these changes .... Wonger put us years behind the elite, that will take time to put right .....
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Pudpop » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:00 am

Santi wrote:Haven't seen any pressing or us dominating the midfield which are 2 key traits of a 4-3-3. I can see the formation he wants to play but the style is not there at all, there's nothing.
I know it's been 2 decades since an arsenal fan has had to adjust to a new manager, but you sound like a complete idiot mate. Just look at Conte's first 2 months at Chelsea. Styles don't randomly develop in a few weeks.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Arsene Nose » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:02 am

My counter attacking system would look like this.
- every man behind the ball except Auba and Ozil who have free roles
- width from the wing backs with Bellerin and Monreal both having good pace
- central midfield would be Torreira as the disrupter, Ramsey as box to box and Xhaka as the player to spring the counter
- three CBs would make the base

—————Auba
——-———Ozil
Monreal—Ramsey—Bellerin
———-Xhaka—Torreira
——-Sok—Mus—Holding
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby gooney » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:32 am

no system can cover for ramsey and ozils lack of defending
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