2018-19 Squad Analysis and Tactics

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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby gooney » Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:27 pm

Rockape wrote:I think we are deluding ourselves if we truly believe a couple of decent signings will allow us to challenge for the title. UE needs time to do what he needs to do to get rid of the dead wood and bring in players that will gel as a strong team. He’s got a mountain to climb!

we need atleast 3 several windows where we can say we have done really really good business here. cause we had several windows where we didnt over the last few years. We also need quality over quantity from now on. We spend big on 2 players each window big.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Santi » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:16 pm

People harking on about the players not being good enough need to get a grip, you weren’t saying this when we went 22 unbeaten and emery’s supposed schtick when applying for and getting the job was that he had in depth analysis of every player and how to improve the current players without splashing the cash.

The players are good enough to do better than we’re doing and more than good enough not to lose 5-1 at anfield, unless you think the likes of wolves have a better squad than us.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Dejan » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:37 pm

Santi wrote:People harking on about the players not being good enough need to get a grip, you weren’t saying this when we went 22 unbeaten and emery’s supposed schtick when applying for and getting the job was that he had in depth analysis of every player and how to improve the current players without splashing the cash.

The players are good enough to do better than we’re doing and more than good enough not to lose 5-1 at anfield, unless you think the likes of wolves have a better squad than us.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Angelito » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:48 pm

Dejan wrote:
Santi wrote:People harking on about the players not being good enough need to get a grip, you weren’t saying this when we went 22 unbeaten and emery’s supposed schtick when applying for and getting the job was that he had in depth analysis of every player and how to improve the current players without splashing the cash.

The players are good enough to do better than we’re doing and more than good enough not to lose 5-1 at anfield, unless you think the likes of wolves have a better squad than us.
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Agreed. We don't have an as bad squad as it's being made out.

We could do with a CB and a winger to improve, of course. But the squad is good enough to challenge for top-4 places. People acting like we have an awful squad need to get a reality check.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby ESR10 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:58 pm

Angelito wrote:
Dejan wrote:
Santi wrote:People harking on about the players not being good enough need to get a grip, you weren’t saying this when we went 22 unbeaten and emery’s supposed schtick when applying for and getting the job was that he had in depth analysis of every player and how to improve the current players without splashing the cash.

The players are good enough to do better than we’re doing and more than good enough not to lose 5-1 at anfield, unless you think the likes of wolves have a better squad than us.
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Agreed. We don't have an as bad squad as it's being made out.

We could do with a CB and a winger to improve, of course. But the squad is good enough to challenge for top-4 places. People acting like we have an awful squad need to get a reality check.

Its surely not awful but quite unbalanced. We don't have one real winger. Iwobi is the best we have in the position.
We had real bad luck with defensive injuries so that we had a lot of players not playing in their best position, but if everyone were healthy and we had a quick forward winger, I would fancy our chances at top 4 like Chelsea, Man United and Spurs. Only Liverpool and City have clearly better squads.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Rockape » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:54 pm

Ah...you are all talking about a top four place, whereas I was talking about competing for the PL. Surely that is what we must aspire to eventually? Obviously we need to secure top four first, but We need Emery to do that and build a squad capable of winning the league.

Cos as it stands our squad is nowhere near the required standard.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby thebigbangtheo » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:06 pm

If you were to study all the winners of the top-flight, I think it would be readily established that there is a process to becoming champions. Money, managers, players and sheer bloody mindedness are all factors but only that, never a guarantee.

Normally, we would all climb up a ladder one rung at a time. Leicester City effectively ran up the ladder 2 rungs at a time. That's why such achievements are an anomaly, a bit of a shooting star and don't result in a dynasty or even a short period of dominance. Plus health and safety tend not to be too happy.

We had a manager who once went up that ladder like a hod carrier on speed until he developed vertigo, froze and fixated on the forth rung from the top. That process and protocol to be champions was already established but stopped being adhered to by him, hence our period of stagnation and the natural stench that follows.

Chelsea and City have proved that just going out and buying the best players does not win you the league until you have the correct protocols in place to make that advantage significant. Just ask Newcastle, Liverpool and Leeds United.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby thebigbangtheo » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:10 pm

Off out now, happy new year everyone
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:37 pm

The squad is 6th best tbh, united arer light years ahead of us in reality, not that they shouldn't be with the money they have spent but they can attack from all angles, serious pace with rashford and martial, they have a great plan B in Lukaku, they can take players on and drive forward with the ball from centre midfieod with lingaard and pogba, got attacking full backs like young and Shaw that can deliver high quality on overlaps, they got Sanchez to come back, Mata still an OG that can provide creativity, best GK in the world, a top young CB in bailey, matic has looked back to his normal self without Maureen.

That's a team that's behind us and we are miles off what they can do in terms of having pace, athleticism in our team an ability to play forward, quickly and attack from all angles.

This team is slow AF, pace is king in the pl, the squad is 6th best.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Godlop » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:44 pm

Dejan wrote:
Santi wrote:People harking on about the players not being good enough need to get a grip, you weren’t saying this when we went 22 unbeaten and emery’s supposed schtick when applying for and getting the job was that he had in depth analysis of every player and how to improve the current players without splashing the cash.

The players are good enough to do better than we’re doing and more than good enough not to lose 5-1 at anfield, unless you think the likes of wolves have a better squad than us.
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No it's not.
Our Wingers, Offensive Midfielder and CB's are midtable(thats me being nice) .


Strikers, Full backs, Goalkeeper and Midfield( if Xhaka is on form) is good enough for Top 4.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Dejan » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:58 pm

Godlop wrote:
Dejan wrote:
Santi wrote:People harking on about the players not being good enough need to get a grip, you weren’t saying this when we went 22 unbeaten and emery’s supposed schtick when applying for and getting the job was that he had in depth analysis of every player and how to improve the current players without splashing the cash.

The players are good enough to do better than we’re doing and more than good enough not to lose 5-1 at anfield, unless you think the likes of wolves have a better squad than us.
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No it's not.
Our Wingers, Offensive Midfielder and CB's are midtable(thats me being nice) .


Strikers, Full backs, Goalkeeper and Midfield( if Xhaka is on form) is good enough for Top 4.
Aubemeyang, lacazette, ozil, torreira, sokratis are all more than good enough for top 4.

Possibly monreal, xhaka, miki and bellerin if they are not going full r***rd.

Look at chelsea ffs. Their team isnt better than ours. They have giroud and that spanish pubber up front dear god

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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby coolaa » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:37 am

We don't even need to sign top CB to guarantee us in CL spot.

Any 2 from Everton or Leicester CBs would do, zouma, keane, Mcguire, Evans, Morgan. It really shows how poor are our current CBs. Only Holding, Mavropanos and Sokratis have level to be CBs in the top half of the table.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:02 pm

Dejan wrote:This squad is good enough for top 4. Not to be a title contender. Without champions league money the chance of competing for the title is zero.


Not sure you can make that argument, we've finished 5th, 6th and currently sit in 5th .... the team directly below us have spent a fortune and almost certainly have a better squad ...

To finish top four we probably need to gain another 35 points, for one of City, Dippers, Liverpool or Chelsea to fail, and for Utd not to improve more than we do ... all in all that's a pretty huge ask

Winning the EL is our best route to CL ... if we don't pick up at least 15 points in the next six games, that's before we play Bate, then we must go balls out for the EL ....
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Rockape » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:37 pm

It’s a shame that two players that were playing much better than expected have been taken out with injuries. (Holding & Mustafi). They were gelling and providing a good base to achieve our unbeaten run.

Recently we’ve been juggling players out of position, rushing back Kos before he’s ready and the result is obvious...teams like Liverpool and Spuds and taken us apart. So for me, our most important requirement is to get some stability in the defense and start rebuilding the confidence.
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Re: 2018-19 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby CynicalGooner » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:11 am

I think the fact that we have 11 first team defenders on the books (this is including Maitland-Niles), which is almost as many as our midfielders and strikers combined, and yet we still need a CB in this window is embarrassing. There needs to be a complete overhaul in the summer. Koscielny, Monreal, Mustafi, Lichsteiner, Jenkinson all need to be moved on.
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