Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:36 am
Zedie wrote:theHotHead wrote:EliteKiller wrote:Power n Glory wrote:We have a hands off owner and that's unlikely to change. In order to change that, we'd have to practically set the club on fire to get the owner out. That leaves a lot of damage to recover from.
But looking at the manager and the Wenger situation, I can't understand how he was so comfortable not winning trophies. It reminds me of the Ozil situation. Comfortable picking up a salary with no ambition to win stuff and he regarded as the best. The parameters for success are different for a player and manager compared to the owner. I can see how Stan would look at this as a successful business model and have more a long term vision. But for a manager, that ambition to win should be what drives them. It shouldn't take the owner having a word with the manager to sign better players or spend more. I always thought it should be the manager demanding more support from the board and if the owner is more of hindrance to your ambitions and not supportive, you decide to leave. Players do this all the time when they feel the club can't support their ambition
Excellent post ... hitting the nail on the head
Owners job - to maximise the return on his investment whilst maintaining his asset value - ergo no fire sale or asset striping
- Kroenke invested 500m - now he owns a club worth 2,500m - so tick on return on investment
- Kroenke has allowed operational profits of 800m to all go back into the club - so asset value protected - tick on no fire sale
Management Job - (in our crazy structure that was 100% Gazidis and Wonger)
- Management must maximise return whilst minimizing costs, ergo make a profit - no doubt we have made fantastic income however our costs are out of control - half a tick at best
- Management must invest wisely in the buying and selling of assets - has to be a fail, some good buys but a load of duds, and the selling has been a nothing short of a feckin' disaster
- Management must provide the infrastructure support to instill a club ethic, club tactics, club discipline, all to enable success on the pitch - again this has to be a 50-50, we have the stadium, training ground but do we have the right support staff? To win a couple of cups but not much else, that isn't the level the club should be at - half a tick at best
So you take the last decade and broad brush Kroenke has been a huge success ... he even recognized that his management team were failing and finally got rid of them ... as for personally funding the club? that's simply not in the job description.
Then you look at the management and again broad brush that's been a bit of a failure ... one they had twenty years to get right
The Don's been here less than twelve months ... he still has twelve to go before we can make a call ... add another 20 before we can seriously compare to Wonger.
Read this and worry - https://www.football365.com/news/emery-one-of-too-many-chefs-cooking-up-an-arsenal-shtstorm
Exactly this. How people can blame Kroenke when the man has allowed the club to spend big millions is a mystery to me. He was complicit with Wenger having carte blanche to run the club how he saw fit, that alone was his only mistake. I want Kroenke gone but I cannot blame him for Arsenal's situation, its Wenger and Wenger alone that made the poor decisions that have cost us, in eroded squad quality.
You 3 are why the club will not move forward. Who allowed gazidis and Wenger to continue their tit for tat power struggle?
That 500-800m reinvested is fan money that has been put in, along with commercial gains, which are ultimately earned because the fan base put enough money in to make commercial partners want to advertise with us. Literally every other club injects private finance in and would be ready to do so if they fell out of the CL.
Kronke is absentee, doesn't put any money up and leaves his staff to run the club out of CL places and you lot think that's a job well done?
You lot actually deserve the situation we are in.
How about us 3 are pragmatic and actually see the situation for what it really is. How much does Joe Louis pump into Spurs? Its a blinkered and naive argument you put forward. You cannot criticise Kroenke for a lack of investment in the squad when Wenger frittered away millions on sub standard players. Kroenke put his faith in a manager that revolutionised English football and became Arsenal's most successful manager. You couldn't even call it misplaced trust because Wenger was doing big things on a shoestring budget after the stadium move.