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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:57 am
by theHotHead
There is no point talking about how shit he was ore leg break. There is no point talking about his purple 18 month patch.

Ramsey was a hot and cold player that could be brilliant one game and the worst player on the pitch the next. He had far more shit games than he did good games. That said he always tried and he provided an attacking threat, those late runs from deep that saved our bacon more than a few times.

He will be brilliant in Italy, more time on the ball, he shows that brilliance for Wales regularly.

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:02 am
by EliteKiller
swipe right wrote:If he’s so mediocre how come the Italians are paying him 300k per week?


Weekly salary is irrelevant it's the total value of the contract that the club has to depreciate on its accounts that matters ...

He will cost the Italians 300k a week for four years, but zero in transfer fee ... that's a contract value of 60m

If they'd paid us 40m in transfer fees and paid him 120k a week ... that's still a contract value of 60m

However because Gazidis and Wonger had some brain-dead fantasy contract management theory ... we gave him away for free ... thus permitting Ramsey to stall on a new contract for two years, then pocket the 40m in wages that should have been ours in transfer fees ... somehow that's all The Don's fault according, to some of the mathematically challenged on here ....

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:12 am
by swipe right
EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:If he’s so mediocre how come the Italians are paying him 300k per week?


Weekly salary is irrelevant it's the total value of the contract that the club has to depreciate on its accounts that matters ...

He will cost the Italians 300k a week for four years, but zero in transfer fee ... that's a contract value of 60m

If they'd paid us 40m in transfer fees and paid him 120k a week ... that's still a contract value of 60m

However because Gazidis and Wonger had some brain-dead fantasy contract management theory ... we gave him away for free ... thus permitting Ramsey to stall on a new contract for two years, then pocket the 40m in wages that should have been ours in transfer fees ... somehow that's all The Don's fault according, to some of the mathematically challenged on here ....

Yo muppet, my point being Juventus are not a charity giving out of contract footballers a decent wage. They’ve chose to spend 60MM on Ramsey which means he’s pretty damn good.

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:13 am
by Power n Glory
indy23 wrote:The players we are being linked to. I don't think we actually get better with any of them lol.


Feel the same when looking into the stats. They'll need to have a real explosive season here to make an impact.

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:09 am
by EliteKiller
swipe right wrote:Yo muppet, my point being Juventus are not a charity giving out of contract footballers a decent wage. They’ve chose to spend 60MM on Ramsey which means he’s pretty damn good.


I'm the muppet? ... what bit about contract value don't you understand .... topic after topic your ignorance just blazes across this site ....

They've invested 60m over 4 years ... that's the equivalent of a 40m transfer fee for an decent midfield player on 120k a week ... a Xhaka level player if you will ... good but not great, what bit about that is hard for you to understand?

Ramsey is second tier always has been ... Juve paying out 60m a year for four years just confirms that ... if you want to look at top players try Hazard he's costing RM 100m + 20m a year for five years that's 40m a year, so nearly three times Ramsey's cost ... or compare him to his new team mate who is costing Juve 70m a year over 4 years .... can you spot the difference now?

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:26 am
by UFGN
EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:Yo muppet, my point being Juventus are not a charity giving out of contract footballers a decent wage. They’ve chose to spend 60MM on Ramsey which means he’s pretty damn good.


I'm the muppet? ... what bit about contract value don't you understand .... topic after topic your ignorance just blazes across this site ....

They've invested 60m over 4 years ... that's the equivalent of a 40m transfer fee for an decent midfield player on 120k a week ... a Xhaka level player if you will ... good but not great, what bit about that is hard for you to understand?

Ramsey is second tier always has been ... Juve paying out 60m a year for four years just confirms that ... if you want to look at top players try Hazard he's costing RM 100m + 20m a year for five years that's 40m a year, so nearly three times Ramsey's cost ... or compare him to his new team mate who is costing Juve 70m a year over 4 years .... can you spot the difference now?


Youre correct but you mangled the grammar

Read it back

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:12 am
by swipe right
EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:Yo muppet, my point being Juventus are not a charity giving out of contract footballers a decent wage. They’ve chose to spend 60MM on Ramsey which means he’s pretty damn good.


I'm the muppet? ... what bit about contract value don't you understand .... topic after topic your ignorance just blazes across this site ....

They've invested 60m over 4 years ... that's the equivalent of a 40m transfer fee for an decent midfield player on 120k a week ... a Xhaka level player if you will ... good but not great, what bit about that is hard for you to understand?

Ramsey is second tier always has been ... Juve paying out 60m a year for four years just confirms that ... if you want to look at top players try Hazard he's costing RM 100m + 20m a year for five years that's 40m a year, so nearly three times Ramsey's cost ... or compare him to his new team mate who is costing Juve 70m a year over 4 years .... can you spot the difference now?

Absolute nonsense. Don’t give me all this contract value mumbo jumbo. They’re paying him 300k a week which are Ozil wages.

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:21 am
by jayramfootball
theHotHead wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
swipe right wrote:Well Ramsey’s off to a bigger club on a higher pay day. Emery’s stuck looking for a replacement with no money in the bank. Player got played.


Juventus are a bigger club than Arsenal?

Yes, of course they are.


It's arguable.

They have a great history, and so do we.

Mate we don't come close to Juventus when it comes to history. As the other poster said, would Ronaldo come to Arsenal ? They are the most successful team in Italian football, we don't come close to them when it comes to presitge. There is a reason why top players go there and not Arsenal.


The sad thing is that the move to the Emirates was supposed to get us to the level of the really big clubs. Never happened. We remained the next level down... and only just. We're clinging on to be one of those clubs that is a cut below the biggest.

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:23 am
by EliteKiller
swipe right wrote:Absolute nonsense. Don’t give me all this contract value mumbo jumbo. They’re paying him 300k a week which are Ozil wages.


Proof positive - you can't fix stupid .....

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:04 am
by swipe right
EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:Absolute nonsense. Don’t give me all this contract value mumbo jumbo. They’re paying him 300k a week which are Ozil wages.


Proof positive - you can't fix stupid .....

Football is a simple sport. Man kicks ball, man gets paid. Don’t try and complicate it with your wannabe football manager shit.

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:05 am
by swipe right
jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
swipe right wrote:Well Ramsey’s off to a bigger club on a higher pay day. Emery’s stuck looking for a replacement with no money in the bank. Player got played.


Juventus are a bigger club than Arsenal?

Yes, of course they are.


It's arguable.

They have a great history, and so do we.

Mate we don't come close to Juventus when it comes to history. As the other poster said, would Ronaldo come to Arsenal ? They are the most successful team in Italian football, we don't come close to them when it comes to presitge. There is a reason why top players go there and not Arsenal.


The sad thing is that the move to the Emirates was supposed to get us to the level of the really big clubs. Never happened. We remained the next level down... and only just. We're clinging on to be one of those clubs that is a cut below the biggest.

So have you got your Arsenal back, or not?

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:55 am
by jayramfootball
swipe right wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Phil71 wrote:
swipe right wrote:Well Ramsey’s off to a bigger club on a higher pay day. Emery’s stuck looking for a replacement with no money in the bank. Player got played.


Juventus are a bigger club than Arsenal?

Yes, of course they are.


It's arguable.

They have a great history, and so do we.

Mate we don't come close to Juventus when it comes to history. As the other poster said, would Ronaldo come to Arsenal ? They are the most successful team in Italian football, we don't come close to them when it comes to presitge. There is a reason why top players go there and not Arsenal.


The sad thing is that the move to the Emirates was supposed to get us to the level of the really big clubs. Never happened. We remained the next level down... and only just. We're clinging on to be one of those clubs that is a cut below the biggest.

So have you got your Arsenal back, or not?


Sure.
Whilst we're not close to being at the highest level, the main thing is that Wenger is gone. We were some weird Wenger FC team playing some boring keep ball game for 10 years.
With L'Idiot gone, I feel we are Arsenal again... that's more important than being the best.
However, I will be most happy with my team when every single player and coach who Wenger brought or hired is gone. It's a long road to recovery from the mess L'Idiot created.

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:10 am
by EliteKiller
swipe right wrote:Football is a simple sport. Man kicks ball, man gets paid. Don’t try and complicate it with your wannabe football manager shit.


Please, please please tell me you will take your own advice and stay off every thread that's beyond "Man kicks ball, man gets paid" ... the sense of relief for the rest of us will be almost as good as an Arsenal win .....

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:51 am
by Power n Glory
EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:Yo muppet, my point being Juventus are not a charity giving out of contract footballers a decent wage. They’ve chose to spend 60MM on Ramsey which means he’s pretty damn good.


I'm the muppet? ... what bit about contract value don't you understand .... topic after topic your ignorance just blazes across this site ....

They've invested 60m over 4 years ... that's the equivalent of a 40m transfer fee for an decent midfield player on 120k a week ... a Xhaka level player if you will ... good but not great, what bit about that is hard for you to understand?

Ramsey is second tier always has been ... Juve paying out 60m a year for four years just confirms that ... if you want to look at top players try Hazard he's costing RM 100m + 20m a year for five years that's 40m a year, so nearly three times Ramsey's cost ... or compare him to his new team mate who is costing Juve 70m a year over 4 years .... can you spot the difference now?


Ramsey's value to Juve will show if he starts games and keeps his place in the team.

It makes no sense talking about his wages in terms of the transfer value. Hazard and Ronaldo were already on massive wages, Ramsey wasn't on that much at Arsenal so of course £300k will be more attractive to him.

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:12 am
by swipe right
Power n Glory wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:Yo muppet, my point being Juventus are not a charity giving out of contract footballers a decent wage. They’ve chose to spend 60MM on Ramsey which means he’s pretty damn good.


I'm the muppet? ... what bit about contract value don't you understand .... topic after topic your ignorance just blazes across this site ....

They've invested 60m over 4 years ... that's the equivalent of a 40m transfer fee for an decent midfield player on 120k a week ... a Xhaka level player if you will ... good but not great, what bit about that is hard for you to understand?

Ramsey is second tier always has been ... Juve paying out 60m a year for four years just confirms that ... if you want to look at top players try Hazard he's costing RM 100m + 20m a year for five years that's 40m a year, so nearly three times Ramsey's cost ... or compare him to his new team mate who is costing Juve 70m a year over 4 years .... can you spot the difference now?


Ramsey's value to Juve will show if he starts games and keeps his place in the team.

It makes no sense talking about his wages in terms of the transfer value. Hazard and Ronaldo were already on massive wages, Ramsey wasn't on that much at Arsenal so of course £300k will be more attractive to him.

Well said, skipper