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Is Unai Emery the right man to take Arsenal forward?

Poll runs till Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:44 pm

Yes
15
21%
No
16
22%
Unsure
9
13%
Too early to stake a claim
20
28%
Doesn't matter as long as Kroenke is in charge
12
17%
 
Total votes : 72

Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby BrunelGooner » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:59 pm

theHotHead wrote:On an entirely different topic, I watched the Man City/Liverpool game last night, 2 top teams going at it, it was a pleasure to watch. But what stood out the most for me was when Liverpool decided to turn up the heat on City, they were incredible. I have heard so many times on this forum that Arsenal can't compete, Arsenal can't buy big name players, Arsenal can't do this and that and also that Emery's hands are tied. Thats absolute bollox if you ask me ! Look at the starting 11 for Liverpool:

Alisson - €62.5m
Alexander Arnold - Free
Lovren - €25.3m
Van Dijk - €78.8m
Robertson - €9m
Wijnaldum - €27.5m
Henderson - €18m
Milner - Free
Salah - €42m
Firmino - €41m
Mane - €41.2m
Team Total - €345.3m

Now look at Arsenal's starting lineup vs Fulham:

Leno - €25m
Mustafi - €41m
Sokratis - €16m
Koscielny - €12.5m
Maitland Niles - Free
Guendouzi - €8m
Xhaka - €45m
Kolasinac - Free
Iwobi - Free
Aubameyang - €63.7m
Lacazette - €53m
Team Total - €264.2m

Now consider that is Liverpool's full strength team and ours doesn't include Ozil (€47m) and Torreira (€30m), our team would cost €333.2 (removing Iwobi and Guendouzi) thats a €12m difference !!! So why are they so much better than us ? Individually they have 4 stand out players to me, their keeper, CB and 2 strikers. Inc Torreira and Ozil we have 4 stand out players too(with Laca and Auba). Well stating the obvious, Emery has been with us for 5 or so months. Other differences, they play much better as a team, Klopp has got them playing either to their strengths or playing tactics/formations that suit the players. It would be remiss of me to not add a third option, that their players adapted to Klopp's changes well.

I see no reason why Arsenal cannot do the same with the players that we have. To get to their level will take some time but I do not buy the "we cannot compete" argument, we should be seeing steady improvement and a focus on team improvement which absolutely must start with our atrocious defending as a team.


Good post, I largely agree.

What I would say is Liverpool's transfer policy is quite similar to ours in the sense that they rely on player sales, commercial deals and match day income to fund any players coming in. Their owners haven't actually invested any money into the club for transfers.

They received £207m from Coutinho and Suarez sales and have reinvested that money wisely in strengthening their goalkeeper, defence and midfield. All of which were problem positions for them.

Arsenal don't receive that sort of money for their players because our negotiating team haven't been that good or we've let too many players run their contracts down to their final year. Which means they can either bend us over a barrel when it comes to wanting a lucrative contract or other clubs will come in for them and offer them a big signing-on fee.

Liverpool received £19m for Dominic Solanke from Bournemouth. They bought him for £3m. He has 1 goal in 28 appearances for them.

Man City are selling youth prospect Brahim Diaz to Real Madrid for £22m. He has made 5 appearances this season and has 6 months left on his contract.

It puts us to shame that other clubs can command these sorts of fees for unproven players.

But I'm not making excuses here - the reality is, when we have spent money, on too many occasions, we haven't spent it right at all.

Xhaka - £35m
Mustafi - £35m
Cech - £10m
Elneny - £7.4m
Perez - £18m
Kolasinac - free but on £140k p/w (5 year deal which means he will cost us £36m over his contract length).
Mkhitaryan - free but on £140k p/w (3.5 year deal which means he is technically costing us £22m over his entire contract length).

If we accumulate all of that, including the free transfers and the wages they get paid over the entirety of their contract lengths, that is potentially ~£163.4m spent on all of those players.

Think about that. £163.4m. On players that most of the Arsenal fanbase do not rate or think won’t take us to the next level.

And on top of that, we have ageing players on long-term contracts and high wages that will be difficult to shift.

So overall, the mismanagement and mishandling of transfers and players from the previous regime is why we're in a situation where we cannot compete with the likes of City or Liverpool.
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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Power n Glory » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:13 pm

ag6789 wrote:Cazorla could play as an attacking midfielder/forward as well as as a central medio. He really was the last complete footballer we had. Rosicky , again , had everything, but injury devastated his career.
Ozil is an out an out attacking midfielder or withdrawal forward. Don't think he can play central medio where you need to have good snatching/tackling skills also. Sanchez, in some ways was a good snatcher upfield.
Xakha is such a poor replacement for Carzorla/Rosicky. A jack of no trades. Only thing going for him is his long range shooting. Decent.


After seeing the huge difference a players like Cazorla and Rosicky can make it that role, I have no idea what we were thinking when signing Xhaka. A left field decision that made no sense.
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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Goonerz » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:24 pm

swipe right wrote:Forget about results for now. Just improve the quality of football and everyone will be on his side. He needs to adapt to the team he has rather that expecting them to change to his ways. Longer term he can shape the squad. But right now he’s got to do a better job with what he has.

What world do you live in? That makes no sense whatsoever.
So Emery should adapt to our average, underachieving and underperforming set of stagnant players instead of them adapting to the new regime?
This lot are finished and have only gotten us from out of the Top 4 to 5th and 6th place for 2 consecutive seasons. Why would any manager be advised to do something like that?
The majority of these pampered overpaid players have been here for 5 or more seasons where Wenger cuddled them, gave them massive contracts and made excuse after excuse for them. He basically adapted to these players flaws, and what did that get us exactly in the EPL or CL?

Emery is also playing for his own Arsenal future as in this modern age of football managers don’t get the luxury wenger was afford (more than 10 years of underachieving). And the first season is the time any New manager starts implementing his philosophy. Isn’t the first season when a manager starts learning and studying his squad so that he can identify the players that have bought into his style and who to flush out? A time when he is supposed to be tasting the waters for the coming season as next season will be a real hot bath for him.
We have people that have already drawn lines about Emery even after just only 6 or so months in the job with mostly old stagnant wenger players that finished 5th and 6th consecutively.

So he adapt to this embarassing set of players and then next season should be his real honeymoon period? So this season should just be a write off as you prefer he uses it to adapt to the current squads flaws?

I don’t get it. :think: :doh:
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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby theHotHead » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:30 pm

Whats not to get, makes perfect sense and should be what Emery is doing. Play to the strengths of the players he has until he can mould the team to his liking by bringing in players suited to it. Its not rocket science.
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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby LegendaryKeown » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:39 pm

theHotHead wrote:Whats not to get, makes perfect sense and should be what Emery is doing. Play to the strengths of the players he has until he can mould the team to his liking by bringing in players suited to it. Its not rocket science.

It's not what top managers do today. Did Pep play direct? Did Klopp eschew pressing?
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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby UFGN » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:47 pm

Too many people clinging to sick cats

Wenger is gone. Your daddy is dead. He's never coming home, Timmy

Snivel all you like, your evil Uncle Unai is putting the sick cats to sleep

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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby theHotHead » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:17 pm

LegendaryKeown wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Whats not to get, makes perfect sense and should be what Emery is doing. Play to the strengths of the players he has until he can mould the team to his liking by bringing in players suited to it. Its not rocket science.

It's not what top managers do today. Did Pep play direct? Did Klopp eschew pressing?

Huh?? What does any of that have to do with my post?
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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby LegendaryKeown » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:22 pm

theHotHead wrote:
LegendaryKeown wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Whats not to get, makes perfect sense and should be what Emery is doing. Play to the strengths of the players he has until he can mould the team to his liking by bringing in players suited to it. Its not rocket science.

It's not what top managers do today. Did Pep play direct? Did Klopp eschew pressing?

Huh?? What does any of that have to do with my post?

The point is that Pep and Klopp did not play to the style of the player. City could possibly have won the title in his first season with direct football. They had the pace. That's just not Pep's way though.

Klopp could also conceivably have attempted to play more direct football with Benteke up top in his first year but chose not to
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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Santi » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:53 pm

UFGN wrote:Too many people clinging to sick cats

Wenger is gone. Your daddy is dead. He's never coming home, Timmy

Snivel all you like, your evil Uncle Unai is putting the sick cats to sleep

Say bye bye to Tiddles


Weirdest post of the year on lock already
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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby LegendaryKeown » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:04 pm

Santi wrote:
UFGN wrote:Too many people clinging to sick cats

Wenger is gone. Your daddy is dead. He's never coming home, Timmy

Snivel all you like, your evil Uncle Unai is putting the sick cats to sleep

Say bye bye to Tiddles


Weirdest post of the year on lock already

Someone posted Ramsey is going to Juve to win the CL he deserves. I think that beats this comfortably
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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Ach » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:21 pm

People were actually criticising him for bringing Laca on lol wtf

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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby swipe right » Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:59 am

Goonerz wrote:
swipe right wrote:Forget about results for now. Just improve the quality of football and everyone will be on his side. He needs to adapt to the team he has rather that expecting them to change to his ways. Longer term he can shape the squad. But right now he’s got to do a better job with what he has.

What world do you live in? That makes no sense whatsoever.
So Emery should adapt to our average, underachieving and underperforming set of stagnant players instead of them adapting to the new regime?
This lot are finished and have only gotten us from out of the Top 4 to 5th and 6th place for 2 consecutive seasons. Why would any manager be advised to do something like that?
The majority of these pampered overpaid players have been here for 5 or more seasons where Wenger cuddled them, gave them massive contracts and made excuse after excuse for them. He basically adapted to these players flaws, and what did that get us exactly in the EPL or CL?

Emery is also playing for his own Arsenal future as in this modern age of football managers don’t get the luxury wenger was afford (more than 10 years of underachieving). And the first season is the time any New manager starts implementing his philosophy. Isn’t the first season when a manager starts learning and studying his squad so that he can identify the players that have bought into his style and who to flush out? A time when he is supposed to be tasting the waters for the coming season as next season will be a real hot bath for him.
We have people that have already drawn lines about Emery even after just only 6 or so months in the job with mostly old stagnant wenger players that finished 5th and 6th consecutively.

So he adapt to this embarassing set of players and then next season should be his real honeymoon period? So this season should just be a write off as you prefer he uses it to adapt to the current squads flaws?

I don’t get it. :think: :doh:

I live in the real world. The one where Emery has only been given a two year deal and doesn’t have a free hand with signings. If he wastes this entire season sulking with the players he has, he will be wasting half his contract life. I guarantee you he gets the boot after two season of misssing out on CL. He doesn’t have the time to shape the squad his way. He needs to get moving with what he has, secure a longer term contract and then start bringing in his approach and players.
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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:23 am

It was very good to hear Emery highlight the need for a CB and winger during the press conference today - excellent news if we can bring in quality in both positions and encouraging that we have, at last, a manager that can see where the weaknesses lie.
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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby ag6789 » Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:29 am

Agree 100% w/swipe right. We have talented individuals who need to be used properly, w/o antagonizing them. They have strong points and weaknesses ; its the managers duty to inspire and mold them into the team.
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Re: Unai Emery, Arsenal Head Coach

Postby Nuggets » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:39 am

LegendaryKeown wrote:
Santi wrote:
UFGN wrote:Too many people clinging to sick cats

Wenger is gone. Your daddy is dead. He's never coming home, Timmy

Snivel all you like, your evil Uncle Unai is putting the sick cats to sleep

Say bye bye to Tiddles


Weirdest post of the year on lock already

Someone posted Ramsey is going to Juve to win the CL he deserves. I think that beats this comfortably

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