by indy23 » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:34 pm
by theHotHead » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:27 am
Jedieurokrem wrote:Luzh 22 wrote:Jedieurokrem wrote:Been worse than Wenger so far.
Has he? 3.5 games of average BS, versus 12 years of average BS.
I see your point...
I didn't make a point. I just stated were playing worse football than under Wenger, so far. I don't know why everyone jumped on this to push their agendas.
Obviously i don't want Wenger back and Emery should be given time to make things happen. I would personally give him full 2 seasons unless we're completely falling apart and have to sack him to avoid relegation or something. We're just shit so far and that's a fact.
by theHotHead » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:31 am
alexafc12 wrote:Not sure his system works with the players we have tbh
by indy23 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:37 am
theHotHead wrote:alexafc12 wrote:Not sure his system works with the players we have tbh
This. Now, surely a top manager finds a system that works for the players he has??? I want to see Emery do just that, because banging your head against the wall a la Wenger didn't work for Wenger and won't work for Emery. Perhaps he can adopt a pseudo pressing game where the team do it en masse at particular times/during particular triggers. Perhaps the way forward is picking teams and formations to suit the players available and the opponents.
I think he had options, its whether he wants to be stubborn or not. You build a house on strong foundations, playing out from the back with Cech in goal is suicide!
by Arsene Nose » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:10 am
by LegendaryKeown » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:55 am
by theHotHead » Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:58 am
indy23 wrote:theHotHead wrote:alexafc12 wrote:Not sure his system works with the players we have tbh
This. Now, surely a top manager finds a system that works for the players he has??? I want to see Emery do just that, because banging your head against the wall a la Wenger didn't work for Wenger and won't work for Emery. Perhaps he can adopt a pseudo pressing game where the team do it en masse at particular times/during particular triggers. Perhaps the way forward is picking teams and formations to suit the players available and the opponents.
I think he had options, its whether he wants to be stubborn or not. You build a house on strong foundations, playing out from the back with Cech in goal is suicide!
He is trying to tinker it to our players. Our players need to adapt or get ready to be booted.
by Phil71 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:09 am
by LegendaryKeown » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:09 am
by theHotHead » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:48 am
Phil71 wrote:The whole idea of changing the manager is to improve results on the pitch.
It's not a short term fix. I sincerely hope the plan with Emery is for him to bring his own ideas and philosophies to the way we play, and to work with the players and his coaching team to get the team playing how he wants. If that means changing players because they can't or won't adapt, so be it. Wenger did exactly that in his early years, as did George Graham before him, both with significant success.
He simply must be given time to do the job we have employed him to do, and we should get behind him.
by Marsbar100 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:53 am
by LegendaryKeown » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:58 am
theHotHead wrote:Phil71 wrote:The whole idea of changing the manager is to improve results on the pitch.
It's not a short term fix. I sincerely hope the plan with Emery is for him to bring his own ideas and philosophies to the way we play, and to work with the players and his coaching team to get the team playing how he wants. If that means changing players because they can't or won't adapt, so be it. Wenger did exactly that in his early years, as did George Graham before him, both with significant success.
He simply must be given time to do the job we have employed him to do, and we should get behind him.
Phil I agree on one hand but to play Devil's advocate:
Wenger came in and got an ageing team to play a completely different style of football immediately. As we all know, its easier to destroy than to create. So I expect Emery to be able to fix our defensive woes. If Wenger could transform Arsenal's style of play immediately with the players he inherited why should Emery sell ?? Wenger only played Vieira, the only new recruit, the rest of the team were Bruce Rioch/George Graham's team and they finished 7 points behind Man U who won the league, in 1996/97.
by Phil71 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:08 am
theHotHead wrote:Phil71 wrote:The whole idea of changing the manager is to improve results on the pitch.
It's not a short term fix. I sincerely hope the plan with Emery is for him to bring his own ideas and philosophies to the way we play, and to work with the players and his coaching team to get the team playing how he wants. If that means changing players because they can't or won't adapt, so be it. Wenger did exactly that in his early years, as did George Graham before him, both with significant success.
He simply must be given time to do the job we have employed him to do, and we should get behind him.
Phil I agree on one hand but to play Devil's advocate:
Wenger came in and got an ageing team to play a completely different style of football immediately. As we all know, its easier to destroy than to create. So I expect Emery to be able to fix our defensive woes. If Wenger could transform Arsenal's style of play immediately with the players he inherited why should Emery sell ?? Wenger only played Vieira, the only new recruit, the rest of the team were Bruce Rioch/George Graham's team and they finished 7 points behind Man U who won the league, in 1996/97.
by theHotHead » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:46 am
by starmandb » Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:00 pm
LegendaryKeown wrote:Wasn't Wenger actually just above the relegation zone in the season we discovered Santi/Coq?